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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257265 Archived-At: > > With vanilla Emacs you can use `C-h S' on the subject > > symbol, but there's no explicit link. And it works > > only for the Emacs and Elisp manuals. >=20 > The last sentence is not true, at least not in my testing. Good to hear; I'm glad to be mistaken about that. How do you get it to look in other manuals? E.g. `C-h S dired-jump' should take you to its coverage in manual Dired-X.