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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207602 Archived-At: > So basically, no matter what is the value of frame-resize-pixelwise, > we behave the same on Windows? Correct. =E2=80=98frame-resize-pixelwise=E2=80=99 is responsible for whi= ch size hints are passed to the window manager. There are no size hints on Windows. > If so, I think we deprive users of the > flexibility to experience the other behavior, however unimportant it > may seem, and that is IMO a pity. It's a pity that you did not comment even one of the issues I mentioned in my previous posts. My primary concern is to make Emacs stable and predictable when resizing frames and windows. On every platform I can work on. I don't intend to trade stability for flexibility. When a window manager or the OS ask Emacs to resize its window in a certain way, I comply. This doctrine was established by Jan many years ago and fully applies to all X based platforms. Earlier we refused non-characterwise resize requests on Windows because we considered leaving empty space within the Emacs window the greater evil. Such refusal was a gross hack, breaking tiling and all sorts of maximization/fullscreen requests. With pixelwise frame resizing we can fill any empty space within the Emacs window with text and apply Jan's rule to Windows builds as well. >> Why bother users > > Because that's what manuals are about: bothering users with the > details of how the software works. I was convinced that the "details of how the software works" belong to the Elisp manual. Presumably I was wrong. > Those who don't want to read, > don't have to. It makes me a bit sad that you apparently believe that I have chosen the way of handling resize requests on Windows deliberately. It took me quite some time to arrive at the present solution and I am glad that so far we never got any bug reports in this area. I wished I could say the same thing about the remaining platforms. martin