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[184.56.99.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k4sm7943248iok.19.2016.07.03.06.59.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Jul 2016 06:59:13 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205108 Archived-At: On 07/02/2016 08:05 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The issue at hand is how to develop new features so that they extend > Emacs in a clean way that reduces the added difficulty of learning new > features. > > You've explicitly said that you don't care about Emacs. You care only > about Org mode. It appears that you don't want Emacs to be easier for > users to learn. However, that is our goal even if you don't support > it. We will have to disregard your views. We don't need to win you > over. It appears you're not a major Emacs contributor; I don't see > your email address in the log. > I understand that my views are not so important since I am not an Emacs contributor, but please don't misrepresent what I've said on this thread. It is completely unfair of you to say that I explicitly claimed that I don't care about Emacs and that I care only for Org. I said no such thing, and you are 100% wrong in thinking I said such a thing. Here is what I said: "Yes, I care more about Org than other packages because I use Org for almost all of my work, it is a fantastic tool." Caring more for Org than other packages says nothing about how I care for Emacs (unless Emacs is a package of itself), it says nothing about the level of my regard for packages other than Org except that I care more for Org than them, and it says nothing about how I feel about making Emacs easier to use. Since I am not an Emacs developer, I will cease to make comments on this list. Scott Randby