From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 26b56dc: Fix some single quotes in documentation Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:11:08 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56E8A49C.6050704@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20160314154123.2684.74715@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <56E6E764.9090500@cs.ucla.edu> <89ba6063-e962-7590-39be-c4fb28f394ea@yandex.ru> <56E703D9.8000607@cs.ucla.edu> <56E70D7C.9080709@cs.ucla.edu> <56E7235A.8010305@cs.ucla.edu> <56E757B6.1010905@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458087097 30416 80.91.229.3 (16 Mar 2016 00:11:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 00:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 16 01:11:29 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1afz3h-0001Xv-0e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 01:11:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52210 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afz3g-0003J6-0I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:11:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38058) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afz3T-0003I2-2q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:11:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afz3P-0003xq-UN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:11:15 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:39783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afz3P-0003xJ-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:11:11 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C06160D06; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id WViEYKjoqmxN; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FA5160D55; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id QcgcjEglK5ae; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF2A6160D06; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201792 Archived-At: On 03/15/2016 04:13 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> >There is plenty of precedent for straight quoting in other text files >> >in Emacs, as well as in etc/NEWS itself before today's changes > Is that because you changed `this' into curly quotes No, I first changed etc/NEWS to use straight quotes, and switched to curved quotes only after what I understood to be John's suggestion to that effect. However, later discussion indicated that straight quotes were more popular, so I switched back. Although grave quotes are popular Emacs source code they have never been the only style for all text, and straight quotes (though of course not perfect) are a better choice for plain text intended for users. There is longstanding precedent for using straight quotes in some Emacs news items. It's not just etc/NEWS before the recent round of changes; for example, the NEWS entry for Emacs 1.4 (in etc/NEWS.1-17), circa 1985, uses straight quotes for its only quoted string, presumably to distinguish the quotes from the grave accents elsewhere in the entry. It shouldn't be a problem for users if NEWS uses straight quotes from here on out.