From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we restore manually maintained ChangeLogs Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:43 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56E06093.7050509@cs.ucla.edu> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87vb4zb0i4.fsf@gnu.org> <837fheuu6a.fsf@gnu.org> <83twkiteb3.fsf@gnu.org> <83lh5utbxb.fsf@gnu.org> <56DDD02A.20809@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuw2t2ue.fsf@gnu.org> <56DE0F6A.6010207@cs.ucla.edu> <83pov5rmt6.fsf@gnu.org> <56DFD78F.40205@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457545777 7325 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 17:49:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 17:49:37 +0000 (UTC) To: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 18:49:28 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adiEi-00060e-Me for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:49:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43144 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiEi-0001eg-3v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:49:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39778) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adi8M-0007Y8-94 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:42:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adi8I-0001aL-8K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:42:54 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:41526) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adi8I-0001aA-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:42:50 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EEA160E8D; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id NHSeFapSZXjt; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BA5160F68; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id T_eds8uMRy_S; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:47 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E638D160E8D; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:47 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201261 Archived-At: On 03/09/2016 05:19 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > So they go though the trouble of fixing typos, but only in the ChangeLog > files in the release tarballs (where*very* few people will ever look)? One can easily generate such a ChangeLog before a release, with a coreutils-like approach. Just type "make gen-ChangeLog". In a larger sense you're right, though. I typically don't look at ChangeLogs. and as I understand it you don't either. As time goes on I expect more developers will gravitate to the new system where if you want to look at the change logs you run 'git log' or type 'C-x v l' or whatever floats your boat. I wouldn't be surprised if most developers are there already.