From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" <larsi@gnus.org>,
"'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, miles@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: smtp crap
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 07:38:09 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56BF67300A29462E8B497816B3B85DE6@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3hb3joar8.fsf@stories.gnus.org>
> > Chong and Lars, any objections to changing the default value of
> > send-mail-function to mailclient-send-it for MS-Windows only?
>
> I don't think `mailclient-send-it' is a very satisfactory solution for
> sending email. It pops up a different mailer,
A "different" mailer? Different from what? From Emacs?
How about: it pops up the SAME mailer the USER chose and is used to and
comfortable with. Are we trying to shove Emacs down people's throats, as a
_mailer_?
> and the user has to take actions there, too, to actually send the mail.
Uh yeah, "take actions": `C-a C-v'. Big deal. No one has complained about
that. And if you want to and can obviate the need to hit `C-a C-v' too, then by
all means, please do.
But please do not try to use that need to paste the composed message (`C-a C-v')
as a reason to keep to this ridiculous, extraneous dialog that is not even
initiated by the user.
> And it doesn't support MIME, so you can't add attachments, and so on.
What is "it"? What are you talking about? I add attachments all the time with
the mailer I use on Windows. And of course it supports MIME.
Please stop worrying about what other mailers support. And please stop imposing
the solicitation
"are-you-sure-you-don't-want-to-SWITCH-to-Emacs/gnus-NOW-as-your-mailer?" on
users. This thing is completely misguided.
> mailclient makes Emacs into a second-rate mail client, which seems
> unfortunate as a default.
It doesn't make Emacs into anything. It simply means _not_ using Emacs as a
mail client. So what? Stop trying to push Emacs as a mail client. Let users
_request_ it if they want it. _After_ they request it, then you can lead them
down the garden path through whatever contorted dialog you like.
When a user is simply trying to report a bug - to help improve Emacs! - is no
time to interrupt her with an attempt to get her to configure Emacs as her mail
client (even if she already has a mail client). And in fact _no_ time is
appropriate for doing that.
I really cannot believe this one got past the maintainers and they have remained
silent about it for months.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-08 14:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-08 2:02 smtp crap Miles Bader
2011-10-08 4:14 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-08 6:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 7:03 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08 13:47 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-08 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 14:50 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2011-10-09 23:58 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-10 11:19 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-08 14:38 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2011-10-09 5:53 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-10 21:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:05 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-10 22:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-10 22:12 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 3:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 4:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 5:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 12:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 18:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 19:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 21:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 22:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-12 1:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-14 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 20:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 14:53 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 16:00 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-10-11 16:24 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 21:21 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 22:00 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 22:41 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 22:54 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 22:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 23:11 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-12 0:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 8:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:04 ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-12 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 1:30 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-12 3:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 4:50 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-12 6:33 ` joakim
2011-10-12 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 10:24 ` joakim
2011-10-12 11:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 9:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 14:16 ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-12 14:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 14:47 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 15:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 11:29 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 8:17 ` David Engster
2011-10-08 8:52 ` Bastien
2011-10-08 12:36 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-08 14:10 ` Harry Putnam
2011-10-10 21:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 2:09 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-11 5:10 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 3:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 0:34 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 3:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 4:20 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 4:41 ` chad
2011-10-11 5:34 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 5:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 17:58 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 18:14 ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-10-26 21:48 ` chad
2011-10-26 22:32 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 23:13 ` chad
2011-10-27 0:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27 2:51 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-27 0:23 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27 1:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-09 1:28 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-10-09 6:06 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-09 14:55 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
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2011-10-08 2:08 Miles Bader
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