From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release from master Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 06:23:03 +0200 Message-ID: <56BABB27.3060502@yandex.ru> References: <8qegda3kfg.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83h9i695n5.fsf@gnu.org> <87si118q6e.fsf@gnus.org> <877fid5u3e.fsf@gmx.us> <87bn7pwgaj.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87y4atqq25.fsf@gnus.org> <877fidwaka.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737t1ckh9.fsf@gmail.com> <56BAAF79.2010109@yandex.ru> <871t8lcitj.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455078215 9467 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2016 04:23:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 04:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=c3=93scar_Fuentes?= , jwiegley@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alexis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 05:23:27 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aTMJK-0000iq-EO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:23:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35403 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTMJJ-0003vd-Kt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:23:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52384) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTMJ5-0003v4-R5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:23:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTMJ0-0008UC-RD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:23:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e]:36499) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTMJ0-0008U6-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:23:06 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id p63so10825785wmp.1 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:23:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xHb8kPTrGP++Sh0S3+KJ6wKi03GCTEntJ+XtZo8xf3U=; b=CSXSkfEcV+zOKKHWa49RCT0Fx0BtC+sWf/1MlvObqMIv52XFrS7i1sDGbiR4nu+ipm j9tgp3izykblXVUiFWlm+/tc1xQYfAAD640XDia8XU4rbhn4Ya4GgwQq2sWdYB2PNBwY 5Txevh5D0nBHqGX2JePuXutg5nDRR43tYevjblm9n0nAbzzGt0KKl5dNvpARMDE7I3sc a4f0C+QjFhK3t5c7StiypzwteRuYORIrFD9ht/EYEmUl0PafQw5ZGeGeGoSYPnNWHf7C 392yG4hgf+CO3wA8+eeQBMeuMERSk4Xsnbcp/EJ6Xiv+Zb0f7zNK5gpOzX41EOxGWV35 ZZvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xHb8kPTrGP++Sh0S3+KJ6wKi03GCTEntJ+XtZo8xf3U=; b=RmEhwCWD3HJZPKD4GMnhIcbXkdybATeJptLsLKQgQfA6cUFMqsqZCOMa9swHIEGqny fDLjYBucFmrx5N2/peOYDyewlMYyZviw9gmjpfbfejYbN74MMRpAmzHfHBB2C5eq+Bwl 3TtE0Xh3VnuyPl9LOPt+z9DcaebjXGhpMHbCi8aC+ITDgfpgi0Q9d13/GRDstedu+re6 jE2hZTWhAfIxFJTv3m285G2J/z6vsR/c/qdphiHgMU4mfjC4ivBQp5aXCZSYsnk5uukq 7AoRsKd3HHAvJjwL3d1LPEniTdmXo7P50hC9jtwG/y/z+WWObZ/fVG+b8tkxY9dVDrtH 0Jpw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOR60NQfoFomoHjcJkDjB1EsxOscQmdo8f5R6x2RP9A3r79pXTFDOODQLRYL3A+A8w== X-Received: by 10.194.20.105 with SMTP id m9mr36573732wje.161.1455078186034; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:23:06 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 75sm20434534wmo.22.2016.02.09.20.23.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:23:05 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:44.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/44.0 In-Reply-To: <871t8lcitj.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199677 Archived-At: On 02/10/2016 06:04 AM, Alexis wrote: > (c) at a basic level, my point was not "i have a problem with Eli being > the main person writing documentation" so much as "i have a problem with > the fact that it's /necessary/ for Eli, /or anyone else/, to be having > to write documentation for code they haven't written, because the > developers of the code in question have treated documentation as > Somebody Else's Problem". Of course it's a problem. And I would be happy to have to write my own documentation, provided nobody is expecting to see the next Emacs release anytime soon. Unfortunately, since there are so few core developers, or people who take responsibility for various core packages, some of the time I could have used to work on the said documentation, I had to spend on e.g. fixing stuff in etags.el, or pieces of VC left broken by ESR's latest changes. > If you think that it's not important to > provide documentation for the code you write, then okay, but that's not > a position i share. Not as important as working code, or fewer bugs in Emacs in general.