From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improving the presentation of Emacs user documentation Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 09:22:38 +0100 Message-ID: <56B8504E.2010401@online.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454919764 5136 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2016 08:22:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 08 09:22:35 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aSh5d-0004rC-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 09:22:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42347 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSh5c-0005Bd-HN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 03:22:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56540) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSh5O-0005BT-LN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 03:22:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSh5L-00013a-ED for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 03:22:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.74]:60396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSh5L-00013S-55; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 03:22:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([95.119.44.128]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M9GoA-1aJOTj07ji-00CiNw; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 09:22:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:v7U10FXfj+BgMw0WgPcKCsJ9SV0u9U3wLnYuiYFzgn8GBSGq0Rl FP7KTY8nVI8mfdmyySopGiMjoGCWwzkSlQaZUtXq/AEVsrnoD+gwosqjdtbU4PsgP3PvoEr spJWTUJi+J6yYDdQGrxpw4bwiNjC7b+miNSiTSeAgNb5xpTvkHSErkfiM7I2brWAmDH/gaR kkBxZ0soPA9u4JwGJjADQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:5nKxNC2LRho=:L7KWC/KsquR6RHy5LO3d5r 9eyvV+WHQrnXimdsoZPi0pM7eMA9cpnWK5zjVebC5VepIURNANX3GufZtujQCawvXhsRDGL89 KIhNT53tCwm+U+6OqE93MWv1IhYD9KM6XBk9kkZyK3dGFzoJhO2Xp5ZkiTpuK8aU8rdTXyLW3 anLJznhl49bo2YtHe+dLvKEo/P9WRx+BCfN/3qr4+We4zA6BNJLUD7B7UskVN64T3M+m5Hm90 80XqfZ0v0VVr//xI+YcSzl5FnxPgPkL9EM21hDD2lz6Sl+Sbf68IdOR1hbaQbaw0QkJfX79qA 5cATcQQ5v9tALPFvyGZNzgfxGg3W4+OQ8aWqtRiwDbyPVAlb+kg9tw1pgg313kw1WfuPhGxiS YJ0OGfKv+S7gfcW09BkmqYbjVUhbaqT4VYQn4aC4yB5VPYHPX4ksPwTDsxr8gd7hRqF/ZEO1/ TR6d/rY/x2f5un4pHQkxBIJBoSPuSrSspWm2k6W5usxdWQWGTWQB6b117ejZtrzj5jKWNCotU Jes2kT2hvK4l7XGUuL6eLdHtbjrrwqmV7HyBQYN3UrIo+t7QUMuz5HcghiaDSkAI2VvU/I5Bb m/b9aIh4famOqA5Sqyita+ojbElvOYNZ6AVCjTBcmwQRqR0i1zzOdB7khNCQjS9uVWkdV+Cwp 5CuyCFykFXOiGGJIQHfUeJoKeNWNbHQpuJe/00o57CTXbGxD3N1Jh0n24ZLfKs95gHL/s0DZb hc+aJRGfmbTr+T+Q X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 217.72.192.74 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199497 Archived-At: On 08.02.2016 00:19, John Wiegley wrote: > A Spacemacs user just showed me: > > http://spacemacs.org/doc/DOCUMENTATION.html > > And compared it to: > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/emacs.html > > Maybe someone would like to bridge the visual gap? :) > > Spacemacs not only has a cleaner or more modern look, but it makes the > documentation *feel* more accessible, which is key. > Hmm, IMHO spacemacs took a wrong path relying on some features which make things more complicated at the bottom. WRT to documentation here: initial tutorial still focuses on keys where it should start with mnemonic command-names. See first entry of M-v. Cheers, Andreas