From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Character folding in the pretest Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:36:47 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56B38C2F.30006@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87mvriuk3a.fsf@gmail.com> <8737t9ex1p.fsf@petton.fr> <83oabxyf71.fsf@gnu.org> <56B230D1.90902@gmail.com> <87bn7x4i4o.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87d1sc4rin.fsf@djcbsoftware.nl> <83r3gswh5e.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454607429 7044 80.91.229.3 (4 Feb 2016 17:37:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 17:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , "Dirk-Jan C. Binnema" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 04 18:37:00 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRNq0-0003dg-90 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:37:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43284 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRNpz-0005LQ-NZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:36:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32972) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRNpu-0005Hz-2r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:36:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRNpt-0001xD-6q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:36:53 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:53685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRNpp-0001wB-4Y; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:36:49 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45878160F57; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:36:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id pXC8k0lEKbhL; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D94E160F59; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 8Gw212Cj2KPF; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 73E9C160F57; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 In-Reply-To: <83r3gswh5e.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199317 Archived-At: On 02/04/2016 08:54 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Emacs is a multilingual environment, so any assumption that > the main language in every buffer, or even in most buffers, is likely > to be the locale's language will misfire. True, but although Emacs is designed to be language-agnostic when=20 handling buffer text, that doesn't mean it should be designed to be=20 language-agnostic when handling user input. If Emacs starts up in a=20 language-X locale, its user probably will be more comfortable using=20 language-X rules for searching, even if the main language in a buffer is=20 language Y. As an English-speaker when I search Swedish texts by hand, I=20 normally want to use English-like rules because English is what I know=20 and I can't really read the Swedish anyway. In English we tend to=20 consider accents unimportant when searching, and because we treat=20 =E2=80=9Cna=C3=AFve=E2=80=9D like =E2=80=9Cnaive=E2=80=9D we also treat =E2= =80=9C=C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m=E2=80=9D like =E2=80=9CAngstrom=E2=80=9D even=20 though the latter is not correct in Swedish.