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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199315 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Owxf39otD74fkXciJB3pFSHLHbQlrMpWO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/04/2016 12:07 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: =C3=93scar Fuentes >> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:59:18 +0100 >> >> After seeing the case I mentioned (`n' matching `=C3=B1' in Spanish te= xt) >> it is obvious that the feature is not ready for prime time. >=20 > The feature was _designed_ to do this, so it simply works as designed. > It can be turned off if you don't like the results, but saying it > isn't ready based on that is IMO inaccurate, if not incorrect. I agree. Maybe we're just discussing two different features?=20 * One is unicode standard character folding; it's implemented, it works a= s designed, it has very clear semantics based on a recognized standard, b= ut we're not sure if it should be enabled by default (I'd vote yes). The other is language-dependent character folding; it isn't implemented (= though some people think it could reuse some of the architecture used for= unicode folding), it doesn't have clear semantics (it's a matter of user= -preference, though we might be able to come up with good defaults), and = many people would love such a feature. 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