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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199259 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --VsBvNKOPLp9vER42UtWI5Sj6PqPCGCLkp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amusingly, the tagline for Emacs Starter Kit is =E2=80=9CBecause the Emac= s defaults are not so great sometimes.=E2=80=9D On 02/03/2016 11:46 AM, Cl=C3=A9ment Pit--Claudel wrote: > On 02/03/2016 11:24 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >> Thinking first about defaults or DWIM is wrong, IMO. We >> should think first about how users can change the behavior, >> including on the fly. >=20 > I don't agree. This leads to Emacs being painful to use without large a= mounts of customization. Do many Emacs devs use an empty or almost empty = =2Eemacs? > Customizability is a strength, but the popularity of pre-packaged Emacs= configurations (prelude, Emacs starter kit, Graphene, and countless .ema= cs.d repositories) says something about good defaults. >=20 > Cl=C3=A9ment. >=20 --VsBvNKOPLp9vER42UtWI5Sj6PqPCGCLkp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWskXpAAoJEPqg+cTm90wjGEkQAJDc3mK8GvlvTBsXcxpaPI51 TLYE7Jze2Ir3CHXcYle+KdGvXmKF51vJmlTgSy+US941NlzlNrkdhR0Lrpir7PpT HInz4T3qXQEs4if59CUcobCiBRAzMGew5pb6YNBfj56cDqglhuN3RyNSlINLgvp7 absU37t/EpzPGrtTb8wr07Z4Xt+IXR8u7cKIHFFhmDw/i2oWDnzPMRv5JQV1ikLC Pvkw3mFygMnT4b+V0mNYSWzy72jGn7UDjhJrPQNfQ+7xCJnIG4GAMSKWkulazfUz 0+qczUx/Gi+IoSX+J2xeFiAdLQkOHuWYyWBg3qBohsoeKIm2QvW6ESIe/+ssuZ0G zTUb4GDj/pAayp890srkjvDaYjeQ1A8o3WuTqLrqcwvuqdqOFTfP5QoQtUsrI8t4 YXKkuDgINYylrQyXUqI7SiPgsR8hoHfzm3SoWW2tmLSVBd38IB6hsy5+KugfEje/ j8FXlNhfHvRIAHJwXiRbHxb4467ybnJMblvA8YO2PuPyA95PY5FjYObihpsuZ1Zc tKXFcIncs2kuNL4T9+9QHUfP65ffdm5FT3FvsI2v0AygCcUj2OzoxI20aL8fhxvM E5CiyOFSs++TU6HB0eIsWrEhWfqAb1EfoSsuOTlWp/cLvG/XkZ+d8OVCosDmBgzA ax2LNwXKbPpM9Z1Y5Eh+ =yWaA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VsBvNKOPLp9vER42UtWI5Sj6PqPCGCLkp--