From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Florian Weimer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should Glibc API be changed? Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:40:03 +0100 Message-ID: <569E66E3.6060307@redhat.com> References: <569CDB81.6040600@redhat.com> <569D4A94.8000507@redhat.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453221783 5958 80.91.229.3 (19 Jan 2016 16:43:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:43:03 +0000 (UTC) To: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 19 17:43:02 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aLZMz-0002ig-HL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:43:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38114 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLZMz-00019t-3R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:43:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52571) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLZKE-0005g7-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:40:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLZKB-00028l-0M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:40:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:34913) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLZKA-00028H-RI; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:40:06 -0500 Original-Received: from int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.24]) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08763461D5; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from oldenburg.str.redhat.com (ovpn-204-31.brq.redhat.com [10.40.204.31]) by int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u0JGe3DF016394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:40:04 -0500 X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.24 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:198367 Archived-At: On 01/19/2016 02:52 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > I have written to the Glibc maintainers to ask them to discuss this > with John, but I think that a proposal for such a big incompatibility > calls for a very broad discussion before any decisions are made. Richard, I'm disappointed you chose a private mailing list for the discussion. This doesn't really match how glibc development proceeds today. I'm puzzled why you think this is a major change. It only affects Emacs and perhaps some unpublished (and therefore likely proprietary) applications we know nothing about. The research in the parent thread suggests that I was mistaken and Emacs should compile just fine after removal of the API. And as I wrote in my initial message, this was never about removal of the ABI, so existing Emacs binaries will keep working. Florian