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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	Emacs Development <Emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Removal of unexec support from glibc malloc
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 23:44:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <569D6AE6.1060008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <569D4207.4060209@cs.ucla.edu>

On 01/18/2016 08:50 PM, Paul Eggert wrote:

> Emacs's internal state includes the heap controlled by malloc, as Emacs
> calls malloc before unexec, and the restarted executable also invokes
> malloc. Hence Emacs unexec must take care that the restarted
> executable's malloc doesn't get confused by the ELF munging that unexec
> does when writing out Emacs's internal state. It does this in part by
> calling malloc_get_state just before unexec, and having the restarted
> executable call malloc_set_state during startup (even before 'main' is
> called). This is done via __malloc_initialize_hook, and I expect this is
> the sort of thing that Florian is talking about when he says the glibc
> API is changing.

The main problem is that the heap is laid out in a particular way.  If
we change the heap layout in a glibc update (which we want to do on
powerpc for conformance reasons, for example), then old Emacs binaries
will not start anymore.  We can work around that with compatibility
symbols, but when we fix that, I want to decouple Emacs binaries from
these glibc implementation details, to avoid a repeat of the entire
exercise.

This is less of a problem if Emacs never frees a pointer after dump that
it has allocated before dump.  But I think this can happen (otherwise,
all this would be quite easy to address).

Florian



  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-01-18 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-18 12:33 Removal of unexec support from glibc malloc Florian Weimer
2016-01-18 19:20 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-18 20:27   ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19 13:52     ` Should Glibc API be changed? Richard Stallman
2016-01-19 16:40       ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-20  2:56         ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-20 17:07           ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-23  5:56     ` Removal of unexec support from glibc malloc Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 22:08       ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-18 22:45   ` Ali Bahrami
2016-01-18 23:45     ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19  0:45     ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-01-19  0:56       ` Ali Bahrami
2016-01-19  1:14     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19  1:44       ` Ken Raeburn
2016-01-19  1:59         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19  3:10           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-01-19  3:17             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19  7:03         ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19  8:36           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-01-19 16:42           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-19  1:45       ` Ali Bahrami
2016-01-19  2:03         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19 16:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-20  2:57           ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-20  7:43             ` David Caldwell
2016-01-20  9:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21  3:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-21  3:00               ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-19 15:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-19 20:37       ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-01-20  2:56         ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-23 13:51           ` Michael Sperber
2016-01-23 20:36             ` Marcus Crestani
2016-01-19 23:53   ` Sam Steingold
2016-01-18 19:24 ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-18 19:30   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-18 19:47     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 19:54       ` Zack Weinberg
2016-01-18 19:55         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 22:27           ` Joseph Myers
2016-01-18 23:16             ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-18 19:50     ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-18 19:54       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 20:02       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 20:05         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 22:10           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-01-18 22:12             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 22:36               ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-23  5:50               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-18 20:24         ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-01-18 20:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 20:36             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-01-18 22:42           ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-18 23:23             ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19  6:31               ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-19  9:27                 ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19 10:14                   ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19 13:27                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-01-19 16:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-30  9:38                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-18 22:44       ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2016-01-19  3:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23  5:49           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-23  7:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23 15:29               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-23 15:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23 22:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-23 22:52               ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 22:17                 ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-27  1:32                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-27  3:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27  9:04                     ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-27 16:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27 22:54                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-27 22:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-18 23:15   ` Florian Weimer

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