From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sending automatic crash reports to the FSF Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 15:36:49 -0800 Message-ID: <5689B091.5020509@dancol.org> References: <83mvu1x6t3.fsf@gnu.org> <5679DC83.70405@cs.ucla.edu> <83oadhp2mj.fsf@gnu.org> <567AD556.6020202@cs.ucla.edu> <567AD766.3060608@dancol.org> <567B5DAB.2000900@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuyromig.fsf@gnu.org> <567C25B1.3020101@dancol.org> <56892FD6.8040708@dancol.org> <568988EE.3010205@dancol.org> <56899278.9000007@dancol.org> <56899EAC.1030408@dancol.org> <5689ACFC.5050407@cs.ucla.edu> <5689AEE8.7030707@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRbTiFAabb0VkMADq9kRklxIBx7t5GnHr" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451864233 5504 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2016 23:37:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:37:13 +0000 (UTC) To: Paul Eggert , Eli Zaretskii , Emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 04 00:37:06 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFsCu-0006Pq-Jp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 00:37:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43244 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFsCt-0006d8-Vt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 18:37:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41822) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFsCq-0006cI-J7 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 18:37:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFsCn-0001Dh-By for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 18:37:00 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:40749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFsCn-0001Db-52; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 18:36:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=/RrfNNQmyrrtXoAf68ntI680DefTMO022VFD5VePEL4=; b=FRvN9h9S+Wm1Mh26WAGneWPEAs0xhdaS/FfVAjiGQDwqfM+wgJldgrSGgk3fWGYRuJEGaF8d7yHXpV0WxXCzF0zehkdnBxt9MBF7qwycqrGjLf9dyzVfex1F57vX1GKoT+9y2X/VVgru1b/QJEOJL40cLZoQ3cesVrDxKJOLT5lKB1cDyItNE1wj6fBGDabihUVOERy1BirvX3XZkGw7MXV4rvi2Br43W6hUXr4qJP3TfIu6L4A8tkk6UFUl5g8D5/5q7M45ga6X5sP0wAFXJ687VgyRjFiqcM2ljBeni0zPe/SlXNfGNCso4NbhZgjPH8yeU4yqZeR15Cu5h46DqQ==; Original-Received: from mobile-166-176-184-191.mycingular.net ([166.176.184.191] helo=[192.168.43.34]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFsCm-000830-9o; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 15:36:56 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197531 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --jRbTiFAabb0VkMADq9kRklxIBx7t5GnHr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/03/2016 03:33 PM, John Wiegley wrote: >>>>>> Daniel Colascione writes: >=20 >> More generally, how do we feel about automatically sending crash repor= ts to >> the FSF? Of course, we'd send reports stripped of personally identifia= ble >> information, as is standard practice. >=20 > This is a really good question. The number of users we have, compared t= o the > number of people able to field such reports, is what makes me wary. Per= haps we > could have a separate mailing list for such reports, without turning th= em into > bugs automatically, just to keep us abreast of possible recurring patte= rns. It > might even become a useful way to gather some statistics. Do you have any idea who would run the servers that would receive these reports? At both Facebook and Microsoft, the resources necessary to store user crash reports are quite significant, and I wouldn't impose that burden on the FSF. We'd definitely need some kind of aggregation and sampling approach. I'm not aware of any free software that handles the server-side aspect of automated crash reporting. Does anyone here? 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