From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dynamic modules: MODULE_HANDLE_SIGNALS etc. Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 07:49:44 -0800 Message-ID: <56894318.6060201@dancol.org> References: <83mvu1x6t3.fsf@gnu.org> <56772054.8010401@cs.ucla.edu> <83zix4scgf.fsf@gnu.org> <5677DBC9.6030307@cs.ucla.edu> <83io3rst2r.fsf@gnu.org> <567841A6.4090408@cs.ucla.edu> <567844B9.2050308@dancol.org> <5678CD07.8080209@cs.ucla.edu> <5678D3AF.7030101@dancol.org> <5678D620.6070000@cs.ucla.edu> <83mvt2qxm1.fsf@gnu.org> <56797CD9.8010706@cs.ucla.edu> <8337uuqsux.fsf@gnu.org> <5679DC83.70405@cs.ucla.edu> <83oadhp2mj.fsf@gnu.org> <567AD556.6020202@cs.ucla.edu> <567AD766.3060608@dancol.org> <567B5DAB.2000900@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuyromig.fsf@gnu.org> <567C25B1.3020101@dancol.org> <56892FD6.8040708@dancol.org> <83bn92acnl.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="U7hII20fXian0hFqqEsimqhxT79tJ88aR" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451836208 23160 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2016 15:50:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 15:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 03 16:49:58 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkur-0000jE-70 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 16:49:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42066 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkuq-0003T7-Pd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:49:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkum-0003QF-Ig for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:49:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkuj-0006qC-BR for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:49:52 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:38090) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkuj-0006pL-2d; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:49:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=npAJpFEavIkp6mrUMxe30Q1c7XeyaOURgE0YdGdexr4=; b=GGeXXoh2ENinAWWNzyalI2OoYX7hAF6m70NvOxNcAr9UKTr+kj61F10jGupIxKcvuhGOSE98M2Kn1xcpSFiyqiVR9eoLNlWtcoay/00njjEiwzK0HP6XIJ1Xm14sUXH041gia3iHGlsEosDXX6t5TUrMAHXVvi9RSbBf+Z64NkIh/pXpjW/wR7u1uijzBTnqGp40fJhSEb2qpIWbkwkSHLLlldpmOVOb7omdx1yJvMlzz1aK7L1Kw3Fy3I+5QCH+IMUirHO6xX2/XyJf5VM0DpjaGrjtcueS6W9xGJ8Ry1hW9A/KN1uuVyDTPpdjjgPqDzcwY1wT41fLbeh2Dsxtlg==; Original-Received: from c-67-161-115-4.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.161.115.4] helo=[192.168.1.210]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkui-0005Zv-Hi; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 07:49:48 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <83bn92acnl.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197453 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --U7hII20fXian0hFqqEsimqhxT79tJ88aR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/03/2016 07:46 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Daniel Colascione >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 06:27:34 -0800 >> >>> Would someone be willing to summarize where we're at at this point wi= th this >>> discussion? It has been long and large enough that I'm no longer clea= r on >>> exactly what it is that we do and don't want, and why. Just a summary= of our >>> major alternatives at this point, and the most significant points for= and >>> against each would be great. >>> >> [...] >> Eli and Paul believe that "Emacs should never crash", and that >> potentially saving user data is worth the risk of undefined behavior, >> which they contend does not occur in practice. >> >> They are wrong. This code is terrible and that we should delete it >> immediately. The code is fundamentally flawed and cannot be made to wo= rk >> properly on any platform. No other program attempts to recover from >> stack overflow this way. (I surveyed a few in a previous messages.) >=20 > This is not a summary, this is propaganda. If you cannot summarize an > issue objectively, please don't summarize at all. I deliberately > avoided replying for fear of being too involved to write an objective > summary. I wish you exercised the same self-restraint. >=20 > John, please disregard this "summary". Nice trick, shutting down discussion so that the code stays by default. 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