From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:24:26 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5682DDEA.1000104@cs.ucla.edu> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <2dc99848-b6d5-4f53-b22c-66e29d15647c@default> <444c19cb-4687-41c4-8291-481f5b5a42a1@default> <9e93866e-c6a4-42e3-b8b2-70fd6185b25e@default> <568102D0.5030707@cs.ucla.edu> <032eb0f9-1cc3-44fa-b37b-af697c8bdc86@default> <5682BD46.3000108@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4cdce83.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451417104 23291 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 19:25:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: random832@fastmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 20:24:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDztA-0003Qe-CQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:24:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49827 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzt9-0000C3-Jt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:24:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzsv-0000Bw-Bc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:24:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzsu-0005Vj-Gn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:24:41 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:54897) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzsn-0005VA-HE; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:24:33 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403C4160E9C; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:24:32 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Njf7x2GjyrlO; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:24:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DC6160E9E; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:24:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id QwboYjTcUI_D; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:24:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62755160E9C; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:24:31 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <83y4cdce83.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197136 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> recent surveys from W3Techs continues to show steady growth for UTF-8 on >> >the Web, with 86% of websites currently using UTF-8 > On the Web, yes. But that's not necessarily the situation with local > files. Yes, of course. It is not as easy to survey local files. That being said, in my experience the natural tendency is for files to have the same encoding locally that they do on the Web, and for Unicode to grow in popularity in local files too. You can see this tendency acting in the Emacs source code itself over time, and in the source code for other GNU projects. Although Emacs will need to support non-UTF-8 encodings for quite some time the overall trend toward UTF-8 is clear, and it would be reasonable to add an option to Emacs to prefer UTF-8 in new files in every locale.