From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit--Claudel?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Mac port Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:03:11 +0100 Message-ID: <5682D8EF.7030902@gmail.com> References: <87bn9a8an8.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <5682CA30.904@gmail.com> <5682CC68.8070205@yandex.ru> <5682D13E.7090202@gmail.com> <87vb7h9j64.fsf@mordocai.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W1pfoov2CjimRD8hAElLSNi17kbLWAHWR" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451415835 3942 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 19:03:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Christopher W Carpenter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 20:03:46 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzYc-0001Te-UG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:03:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49785 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzYc-0004rO-BB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:03:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50778) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzYP-0004rE-Kc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:03:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzYJ-0000pp-Kt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:03:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.130]:64384) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDzYJ-0000pi-B7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:03:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.82] ([109.24.225.43]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MZKwe-1aYoiZ1rpc-00KzvT; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:03:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <87vb7h9j64.fsf@mordocai.net> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:c/JcOZYqWAxVBknYMVlsm/ZkDJR6PYsvZ6LeCmqux55B0PVhp4u LccaYZYsODRW1W1Oa5A3snI18a1w5KG9LKz9QJ8K2QIF/PtQqCRtUTJPgWY3SNO7O2vh5r6 fW5xBnjjendFU8bCzACCbev+TOHYfu6/hZEshbbq8QP2IChBuCdDKh9YxBRdHW9xaQT7g/I zXA5Ld7ZHfdo0syWgPShg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:5SAzLL3pW3Y=:NPYVFiGn7ux7D7yvUAvWiq YJEaXtuUOVVsk8b5hDvuZvq3Yxkyxf8jaJ4h+EjpvAxk9ibafEaRHGfFX8HOxFw0IhXHupYxR zJXuF15jurDsmFR1nJCe+NNH4n2ZimyMR4cqyRIFuL1HJA3GdW42znlBD2eZpYetQzQPvGWp9 qcne8Jq5W7QQd4J5Izk24/V7M4wPYpPyF3IDJfJ5pkMoOufpMQqnCxMVFYeptqTqt05kuiG7l 2Vixnu8lfBoS+Pb18YOLmfyzNmudPLBLYf6ukn1PlPJ2lALo9ihpQ7sjjH69MGxjAh7aRLPIo RjPioFJwz39ccSWp40LINYDcTvPZfAv4biC4cZgA+UoUXLUDpCr+lx4+/n44rRfXHrbNgoeVc hGVbawMWUOfYojaQmJgZLvaQkXRyhPYtcHGmMtJUZ3rlLAPbVsO1xzDRt6ibvFa0HOwcWpWwT Tnwb3NaW7qb0eeFpi8Pt8/Ne8pDY+lJbPPx8DHTECLP+wsHg+i2o4THVPe6nec2bLb5T54VvW HuMHiUDX2yetyEx5w361+XJ72IOcLvfzQkwREUsBbMeOil6YDgv1i2js2NhMXGQNKTj8gbOG2 l4Ob7jkhAGMDrQpxZppMoW0+l8+c0et9boQlLgfhuIqUyirC/rgbr5hEOOtQqQW5LmK+i/43Z unEGIC+XdT2EQ8HSVVVW4qemIG6zeqD3DKACJ1i9Fx5ZPSOTk43rZdZA+xXksN28A2+M= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.130 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197133 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --W1pfoov2CjimRD8hAElLSNi17kbLWAHWR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/29/2015 07:57 PM, Christopher W Carpenter wrote: > Cl=C3=A9ment Pit--Claudel writes: >=20 >> On 12/29/2015 07:09 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >>> Since adding feature to GNU Emacs that give more advantage to=20 >>> non-free platforms might encourage the latter >> >> I don't think many people care whether they are using GNU Emacs or a f= ork thereof, so I'm not sure it would change much to the current situatio= n (people on MacOS can use a version of Emacs that has more features than= the ones available on GNU/Linux). >> >>> this seems to make a stronger case in favor of adding support for all= >>> (?) of the features in question on GNU/Linux than doing anything >>> else, like merging Emacs Mac Port. >> >> Fully agreed; it seems clear to me that the priority is in getting mor= e of these features in Emacs for GNU/Linux. >> >> I was just pointing out that as due to the current situation, I've had= people >> point out to me that my Emacs experience would be nicer on MacOS than = on >> GNU/Linux (and they are right: the best Emacs experience today is not = on >> GNU/Linux). These people were not running GNU Emacs, but indeed that d= oesn't >> matter in terms of freedom (though it does matter in terms of using GN= U Emacs to >> promote the GNU project). >=20 >=20 > FWIW emacs of Mac OS X (any of the versions I tried before just > installing debian on my macbook) have significantly degraded buffer > performance compared to Linux. I believe bugs were filed about it but > most of the core dev team don't have a mac to test on. >=20 > If you do any heavy buffer updating (like using emacs as a terminal > emulator) you can actually slow down the process creating the output. >=20 > So no, even from a practical sense you would not have a nicer experienc= e > in MacOS IMHO. I see. I don't own a Mac, so I can't tell; it's good news that GNU Emacs = on GNU/Linux still has an edge over the Mac versions :) I've heard people say a lot of good things about smooth scrolling on Mac;= I imagine they didn't run into the problem that you pointed out. --W1pfoov2CjimRD8hAElLSNi17kbLWAHWR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWgtjvAAoJEPqg+cTm90wjmYgQAJ+HiGvq964MR5kgI6w+blgA wH6Nvlg0RLo/Zst8ri0MHxOMy7USYgXw107EEyyaoyOZX0RtFD1E26DHxPYKUan0 544mCEGvVpzj0qiPu/gqrlfGfDaVYzCzIpZwpmdXp0dD8j+HGF4bU8BfDRhPV69B qQoyBNLbC/+rflpymRQ7OdtJBeOYEH34+s45LwuxL0bp1Pzvy1UnILMWp4gAcvb8 h+QVmVPF7d5zBfaXkqHv5IYBWDW0cp/kfEa3P1TBJ6bwR8jbgeWAMOOSDvZ+6AAx TgSeo6mS3yaS4sSQ0NVIxvaeDxNRlGczMsUvlC3VaY6fI9EnFoGnKhuggk3Jlq4u VpvLKHOaejQCjL1Ccs197/QC2CJv3+HheKRmOyGIzYe9YBxd/Ja1cQwTfZAj3+5y snBGyIcVI2NKTxyPJccj2bpdBTRHctdiRR688fHuagumVUwsI0h8ASTdqNLPi/7k 0a2OTPyRENlARYRrZSwuNSA5y2LDJ1IB5acjb/p6I3UORlggrkF5/2Sv6HUCZlxb 7YgNP+6ZhIV6vo6K/apnIEwkLjlX6vP7fo8TqNdUMC3uvhykseLjrNhSiGD9Oxps FCufPIYkDzfAXxBetLIH9VW20KoTRSBL4mmjETnNhj/kbev2JsYuI4T4Xyc2s2QB Jlhr+Aiw3zLWqK2DAMrq =wIZv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W1pfoov2CjimRD8hAElLSNi17kbLWAHWR--