From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:30:50 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5682C34A.30608@cs.ucla.edu> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <83poxsh7xv.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451410268 15681 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 17:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:31:08 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 18:31:02 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDy6v-0006kn-Ab for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:31:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49494 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDy6u-0000XF-K4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49803) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDy6p-0000Un-Vt for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:30:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDy6m-0001pQ-QT for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:30:55 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:49078) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDy6m-0001p5-Lh for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:30:52 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1245160E93 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 7ZXSwswzk5WR for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D4D160E95 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 1HkdLO50dkrL for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A687160E93 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197109 Archived-At: John Wiegley wrote: > in *Help* documentation, it actually > emphasizes to me that a symbol name is being indicated, rather than a n= ormal > word that's being single-quoted. In practice that is not an advantage, since Emacs uses American English w= ith the=20 convention that single-quoted words are code, so it is easy to distinguis= h=20 single-quoted symbol names from American-style double-quoted normal words= ,=20 regardless of whether quotes are straight or curved. This is a common con= vention=20 in other GNU programs and in GNU documentation. > a. How much work is left until this feature is truly "complete"? One > indicator that it's not yet is how many times it's been thought t= o be so. Emacs has never been =E2=80=9Ccomplete=E2=80=9D. That being said, the cur= rent implementation=20 seems to be at a reasonable sweet spot. > b. How much work would it be to revert the whole thing and go back t= o using > `foo' for symbol quoting? It would take quite a bit of work to do that. (set text-quoting-style 'grave) in your .emacs will give you much of the=20 behavior you want, and I recommend it for users who prefer quoting the=20 old-fashioned way. This does not suffice to alter *info* buffers, though,= as=20 they are generated by Texinfo. In general, this issue is bigger than just= Emacs,=20 the rest of the GNU world has mostly moved on, and Emacs has been lagging= behind.