From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:05:10 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5682BD46.3000108@cs.ucla.edu> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <2dc99848-b6d5-4f53-b22c-66e29d15647c@default> <444c19cb-4687-41c4-8291-481f5b5a42a1@default> <9e93866e-c6a4-42e3-b8b2-70fd6185b25e@default> <568102D0.5030707@cs.ucla.edu> <032eb0f9-1cc3-44fa-b37b-af697c8bdc86@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451408745 23645 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 17:05:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Yuri Khan , Random832 Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 18:05:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDxiI-0001XH-Hq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:05:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49424 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDxiH-0001q8-T0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:05:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42586) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDxhz-0001o7-SR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:05:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDxhw-0003XH-MQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:05:15 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:48106) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDxhw-0003Wz-FH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:05:12 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2913160D1A; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:05:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 397ipC4a1fuu; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:05:10 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B0160E92; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:05:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id f_i8Fjct0Xtf; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:05:10 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 910B8160D1A; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:05:10 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197103 Archived-At: Yuri Khan wrote: > > Alternatively, new buffers could be initially created with the UTF-8 > encoding, leaving the locale-specified encoding only for dealing with > legacy files. > It would be reasonable to add an option to Emacs to behave that way, thou= gh we=20 should probably not make this behavior the default (at least, not without= having=20 more experience in its use). As for UTF-8 =E2=80=9Cconquering the world=E2=80=9D; obviously it hasn=E2= =80=99t done that yet, and=20 Emacs will need to support legacy encodings for quite some time. That bei= ng=20 said, recent surveys from W3Techs continues to show steady growth for UTF= -8 on=20 the Web, with 86% of websites currently using UTF-8 (up from 82% a year a= go).=20 All other encodings are declining in use, or at best remaining constant t= o=20 within the stated precision of measurement (e.g., EUC-KR at 0.4%). http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/character_encoding