From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 01:37:20 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <568102D0.5030707@cs.ucla.edu> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <2dc99848-b6d5-4f53-b22c-66e29d15647c@default> <444c19cb-4687-41c4-8291-481f5b5a42a1@default> <9e93866e-c6a4-42e3-b8b2-70fd6185b25e@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451295467 15584 80.91.229.3 (28 Dec 2015 09:37:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 09:37:47 +0000 (UTC) To: Drew Adams , =?UTF-8?Q?Per_Starb=c3=a4ck?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 28 10:37:38 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUFD-0008EF-Lt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:37:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44008 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUF7-00086C-NE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 04:37:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36947) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUF4-000853-IS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 04:37:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUF1-0005tp-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 04:37:26 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:54968) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUF1-0005tg-50 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 04:37:23 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6517160095; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 01:37:21 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id aWKKd9yyT6kw; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 01:37:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE4E160CC0; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 01:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id eHIHILu5weg6; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 01:37:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B28FC160095; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 01:37:20 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197000 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > Emacs should > (continue to) use U+0027 (ASCII apostrophe) as apostrophe (in its > own doc The Emacs source code largely does that already, so I assume you=E2=80=99= re talking=20 about how the documentation is presented to the user. It would be a nontr= ivial=20 project to change Emacs in the way you suggest, as many of the punctuatio= n=20 apostrophes are in *info* buffers and are generated by Texinfo, which has= taken=20 the Unicode approach for consistency with longstanding English typographi= c=20 conventions. Traditionally there is no textual distinction between punctu= ation=20 apostrophes and right single quotation marks, just as there is no textual= =20 distinction between (say) parenthetical and redactive dashes, even though= in=20 both cases there are large semantic differences. English can be a messy=20 language, but there it is.