From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:40:55 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451158880 13744 80.91.229.3 (26 Dec 2015 19:41:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 26 20:41:10 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aCuiB-0005Fh-FZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 20:41:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39666 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCuiA-000492-Mk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:41:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53123) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCui6-00047N-Io for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:41:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCui2-0004l5-GD for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:47309) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCui2-0004kr-A2; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:40:58 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0711607C4; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:40:57 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id OE0g7N0rFxME; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:40:56 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D99160CC0; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:40:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id V-5qGSs00qsg; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:40:56 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0EEC41607C4; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:40:56 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196919 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I really don't see what's the big deal Yes, of course this is a very minor point. > we never agreed to have these curved quotes in *scratch*, not even discussed > that, AFAIR. No, we discussed it on September 24 after I made the change on September 2. You asked whether the change was intended; I replied that it was. Please see: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-diffs/2015-09/msg00031.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-09/msg00967.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-09/msg00968.html As far as I know there was no further comment -- no reports of problems with the startup buffer, for example -- so I would favor leaving the message as it was before today, at least during the feature freeze. Alternatively, I suppose we could rephrase the message to avoid apostrophes entirely (this would prevent those *ugly* ASCII apostrophes from *ruining* the otherwise-*beautiful* startup screen :-). However, I mildly prefer starting with a couple of non-ASCII characters, as a useful test of Emacs's capabilities on startup.