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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>,
	joakim@verona.se, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: On the popularity of git
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:58:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5634F352.90303@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151031165007.GA20747@acm.fritz.box>

On 10/31/2015 06:50 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

> I just want to be a user, as one can quite easily be a user of hg or
> bzr.

Nobody's asking you to be a Git developer here. I know I'm not asking, 
nor am I one.

> Being a user of git involves learning its internal structures.
> (Note the people recently emphasising the internal representation of a
> git branch to me, talking about pointers to its tip, and so on.  I
> really don't want to have to know about such stuff.)

To a reasonably proficient Git user, that sounds like "I don't want to 
know what graphs are", or a C programmer saying they don't want to 
bother knowing about memory layout (that's a thing, right?).

This stuff is easy enough to learn that claims "I don't want to" don't 
sound compelling at all.

> It is evident that when the UI for git was "designed" nobody of any
> experience (or taste) in UIs was involved in the process.  Nobody knew
> when to say "stop!".  So there are _lots_ of commands, and the ones used
> most often have 20, 30, 50 options to learn about, some of which do
> several distinctly different things (e.g. git checkout).

You don't learn all commands and all options. You first figure out what 
you want to do, and then learn how to do it. Much easier.

> But in both of them, the commit message template informed you which
> files were being committed, giving you the opportunity to abort.

Guess what. Git does the same thing.

Just not in the Emacs interface provided by VC.

> The
> vagueness and uncertainty introduced by git's two stage committing,

No such thing.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-31 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-28 19:20 Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches? Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-28 19:44 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-28 20:00 ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-28 20:04 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2015-10-28 20:10 ` Alex Bennée
2015-10-28 22:32   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-28 22:56     ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-28 22:59     ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-28 23:53       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-29  0:17         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-29  0:28         ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-29  0:49           ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-29  2:25         ` Yuri Khan
2015-10-29  8:21         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 12:35           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-29 13:21             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 17:02               ` On the popularity of git [Was: Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches?] Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-29 17:22                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 18:08                 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-30  7:48                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-30  9:27                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-30  9:48                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-30 10:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-30 21:44                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-30  9:09                 ` joakim
2015-10-30 10:49                   ` Yuri Khan
2015-10-31  3:16                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-31  8:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-31  8:32                         ` Andreas Schwab
2015-10-31 11:35                         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-31 12:19                         ` David Kastrup
2015-11-02 22:01                           ` Nikolaus Rath
2015-11-03  8:42                             ` David Kastrup
2015-11-03 17:38                               ` Nikolaus Rath
2015-10-31 16:02                         ` On the popularity of git Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-11-01  8:08                           ` Uwe Brauer
2015-10-31 16:50                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-31 16:58                         ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2015-11-02 22:05                           ` Nikolaus Rath
2015-11-03  8:39                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-31 19:24                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-31 20:13                           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-31 21:08                         ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-31 21:15                           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-31 21:48                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-01  8:17                             ` Steinar Bang
2015-11-01  8:54                               ` David Kastrup
2015-11-01 10:17                                 ` Steinar Bang
2015-11-01 11:15                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-02 20:11                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03  7:00                                       ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-03 10:07                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-03 11:58                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 13:08                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03 13:30                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 13:38                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-03 13:43                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 13:49                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-03 13:58                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 14:14                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-03 14:25                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 13:43                                                 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-03 14:35                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-11-03 14:52                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 15:58                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-03 16:04                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-03 18:14                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-11-03 19:40                                                     ` Jay Belanger
2015-11-03 20:15                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03 20:24                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-03 20:35                                                           ` Changing the tone of emacs-devel (Was: On the popularity of git) John Wiegley
2015-11-03 22:05                                                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-04  7:54                                                               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-03 21:47                                                         ` Changing the subject (was: " David Kastrup
2015-11-03 23:37                                                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-04  0:27                                                             ` John Yates
2015-11-04  1:40                                                           ` Changing the subject Yann Hodique
2015-11-04 15:37                                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03 22:11                                                         ` emacs-devel etiquette (was: Re: On the popularity of git) Stephen Leake
2015-11-04 11:12                                                         ` Future emacs mailing lists. [Was: On the popularity of git] Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-04  7:52                                                   ` On the popularity of git Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-11-03 20:53                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-03 13:49                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2015-10-30 12:50                 ` On the popularity of git [Was: Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches?] Juanma Barranquero
2015-10-30 14:15                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-30 16:54                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-10-30 17:31                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 16:31             ` Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches? Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-29 16:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-29 17:45         ` Davis Herring

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