From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 21:10:07 +0300 Message-ID: <562BC97F.6040805@yandex.ru> References: <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <561A6199.1020901@cumego.com> <561B9D87.70504@yandex.ru> <87vb9wcpw9.fsf@esperi.org.uk> <83eggkwdgh.fsf@gnu.org> <87io5wcjro.fsf@esperi.org.uk> <4f369ede-790e-4ce9-b523-208bf1783924@default> <562BBC1B.4090305@yandex.ru> <3fc83de8-936b-40c4-8e0e-13724cb8bbb0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445710226 8299 80.91.229.3 (24 Oct 2015 18:10:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esperanto@cumego.com, adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams , Nix , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 24 20:10:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq3Gm-0007Ue-3A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:10:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45241 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq3Gl-0003SG-Fy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:10:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35103) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq3Gi-0003S8-2Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:10:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq3Ge-00030q-SR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:10:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]:38757) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq3Ge-00030D-LL; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:10:12 -0400 Original-Received: by wicll6 with SMTP id ll6so67346228wic.1; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pqzt9VewAkWy3SHu65/aaENFK33Te+UlW/NywIBpZVg=; b=euOWNWlG1Gn1sk7rSMWaikTdkT/HKpyyYytQpxfWzTXoA/AVNgoZgfR9vvhbivUF1k w65KbB9aJen8n7kn9Saq0XrUVwwHwGGkPnNFMOYdyxJDNi2jM6Qns3QBDMSzDb9MJ5bO FbKeu/tM82z0dUwDdssn+1sYzyR/oCguaOEwfIlKguprEodXLXy/RBjobqKg0DPAP4bI PzvgxOPH/zRQKBmD89hFZnrhghzxQO8wIl7CZldkZKjQmJlGPLyDMjAPmHFZb0u3oNKM H5gY8sfIlVLXUEEcI3wDUXNbxza55QCvUTkqiDn4iPb9SxyjW/7D87AvSIM2eT9fcCKR UVcQ== X-Received: by 10.194.57.203 with SMTP id k11mr11113560wjq.98.1445710212038; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q1sm29294639wjy.31.2015.10.24.11.10.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:10:10 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/42.0 In-Reply-To: <3fc83de8-936b-40c4-8e0e-13724cb8bbb0@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192573 Archived-At: On 10/24/2015 08:42 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > I'm not contrasting TAGS with Gnu Global. You are free to do > that. I am not arguing in favor of TAGS over other indexing > and querying mechanisms. Emacs doesn't have any real abstraction over TAGS files. etags.el basically operates on its contents. > The TAGS file feature defines an index format and an index > query mechanism. That's all. How and when the content of a > given index gets generated or updated is a different question. The index doesn't even say what kind of hit it is. Is it a definition? Is it a reference? Is it both? Like, a method override. > And that generation/updating involves parsing, which has > been acknowledged to be the hard part. There are several parts, of varying difficulties. > Everything you say in support of claiming that the data > structure "*is* a problem" is, in fact statements about > the problem of parsing, not the data structure format. Nothing I've said about the file format yet is concerned with parsing. > If you want to argue that any use of *files* to hold the > index structure is problematic then do so explicitly. Flat files, yes. Not any kind of files, obviously.