From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Ludlam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:07:05 -0400 Message-ID: <562593B9.5090000@siege-engine.com> References: <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <871tcyexa9.fsf@fimbulvetr.bsc.es> <87612a7my2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <561DC925.5050001@siege-engine.com> <561E32D2.4060501@yandex.ru> <83wpum3ozk.fsf@gnu.org> <87si59ln6u.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <56224B63.3010803@yandex.ru> <87k2qlldny.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <5622AD4D.3010504@yandex.ru> <5622C5BA.2070209@cumego.com> <5622C696.2070200@yandex.ru> <5622CB80.4090700@cumego.com> <5622CDA6.5080600@yandex.ru> <5623618F.6030303@cumego.com> <56236974.50404@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445303263 9971 80.91.229.3 (20 Oct 2015 01:07:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov , =?UTF-8?Q?Przemys=c5=82aw_Wojnowski?= , David Engster Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 20 03:07:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoLOm-0001fe-KZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:07:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42780 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoLOl-0004xi-NS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:07:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoLOR-0004xL-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:07:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoLON-0006Ve-TB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:07:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qg0-f52.google.com ([209.85.192.52]:33619) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoLON-0006VO-P6; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:07:07 -0400 Original-Received: by qgeo38 with SMTP id o38so2266978qge.0; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:07:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I6K5g8pj3cQ+32MSyDDvliApgzpELgbMs9eGOMf/MGY=; b=f6Ridhnbw3/6Ok7ZAFCiOzrSDb4GJWU2zYltKkhnWmemxvulvBwFsMD3MByFcaiqzB fpWPKq5ujYZ1+JVHB7wvKwEXF+CX+6159B87RW5DP3IIdDiSm6CwT6BJrWk7Ta2WIO8o DzByCDe5o4WWXIUjjctNAf5XxV5j/rwI8DyBNScFU1I520UZ+SKsJAByO2mVSYrNy/Yi mWDeOCzrp28VMChGxtPQqfRjTElyz8tP8gLE0yLOCf0Meqhyi9Mf13PWwvK2SCvoJOBE SsJOWGKxSA77IaNFzzPKMyehPVr5cgKTWvFChuI8p8awG117Fp2WYj2m+9+8uooD31Nr znHw== X-Received: by 10.140.109.6 with SMTP id k6mr497375qgf.28.1445303227372; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.202] (pool-71-184-198-118.bstnma.fios.verizon.net. [71.184.198.118]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u3sm226373qki.22.2015.10.19.18.07.06 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:07:06 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 In-Reply-To: <56236974.50404@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.192.52 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192137 Archived-At: On 10/18/2015 05:42 AM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >>> Some refactorings, too. >> And some are not and will never be, because languages are too >> different. So >> IDE's support for them will be different or crippled to the lowest >> denominator as you seem to suggest. > > You're just arguing for the sake of arguing here. We could have a common > UI for implementing refactoring commands, and some of those commands > could be different for different languages. Or something along these lines. Here is an example of a refactoring toolset that Tu Do started using CEDET/Semantic as a starting point. https://github.com/tuhdo/semantic-refactor Eric