From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Przemys=c5=82aw_Wojnowski?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:05:23 +0200 Message-ID: <561A6CA3.8090703@cumego.com> References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <561A6199.1020901@cumego.com> <561A6582.10908@cumego.com> <8D6BBBC2-A32F-4614-AFF5-6C2B94E32607@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444572351 1001 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2015 14:05:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:05:51 +0000 (UTC) To: Jean-Christophe Helary , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 16:05:38 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlHFp-0007T2-At for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:05:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48493 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlHFo-0003k9-MI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:05:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49847) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlHFi-0003k3-HC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:05:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlHFf-0001Fw-5l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:05:30 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp23.iq.pl ([86.111.242.228]:41860) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlHFe-0001Fs-Jt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:05:26 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 9836 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2015 14:05:24 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.106]) (esperanto@cumego.com@[159.205.196.239]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp22.iq.pl with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 11 Oct 2015 14:05:24 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 In-Reply-To: <8D6BBBC2-A32F-4614-AFF5-6C2B94E32607@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 86.111.242.228 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191231 Archived-At: W dniu 11.10.2015 o 15:41, Jean-Christophe Helary pisze: [...] > It was not intended as a joke :) But if we start by defining what we mean by "productivity" in the context of code writing, then it's easier to see what can be on the feature list and what does not need to be. Note one thing: I have written "to help programmers do their work productively". It doesn't have to be "writing code". It can be analyzing code, learning it, refactoring, deleting code, running app/tests/debugging, etc. Actually in many legacy systems writing code is minor activity. In different projects productivity may be defined differently, but, where money counts, usually it's defined as "deliver software on time". Nobody care how many lines is that - the less, the better. If its oneliner and does the job then do it. :-)