From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: <5612D1AA.3050903@dancol.org> References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbalxg9n.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PeEARILb7XW8qDJEGTQR8JW6MPNMC3rRR" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444073948 20874 80.91.229.3 (5 Oct 2015 19:39:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 05 21:38:59 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBb8-0006W5-Rj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 21:38:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47388 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBb8-0006UF-A7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:38:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37067) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBak-00068D-DE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:38:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBaj-0000IJ-Cd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:38:34 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:34051) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBaj-0000BV-3R; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:38:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=MZf0vuMut0OZtLdLU3Tno1L2fegxyq4ZXjtg6PuUgl4=; b=AHzfYlRlgbaTg70E4kwMrDSzVsC2vb85xgPE7L4C8lQMZXSMROvXY3gRI+XE3iO3rAXZb3BOw6bMVvdd1XQYSVsyY9uRagQQRqAnvkdkOZAWBal6Czmppc67CxiIzOgE1oPy9tLePBYrIR1QVmnFz8v2REOg4Flt5djKowQk57VoO2K8Ur4ZGsnM2DPdvGrX3A8TifeKcX8LYSHzpAXY/icjKKx6T/NtNabNXzbYOTRV227dtKaaJmtHcvqmKFC6Da356LORAfMVc+a7F8+CjeTJ8nvtDE08vJ8lNW3ov8ZQC+SL6x/sk313sf+bMxAnJgwxeyrOjSjMKhHDNi44kQ==; Original-Received: from [2620:10d:c090:200::a:efe4] (helo=[IPv6:2620:10d:c083:10fb:2ab2:bdff:fe1c:db58]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBab-0003Qe-0w; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:38:25 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 In-Reply-To: <83vbalxg9n.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190963 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --PeEARILb7XW8qDJEGTQR8JW6MPNMC3rRR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/05/2015 12:32 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: John Wiegley >> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:02:50 -0700 >> >> we have compute-intensive applications -- such as Gnus -- that >> cannot take advantage of the additional power offered by multi-core >> CPUs. How do we add concurrency without increasing our maintenance >> burden due to impossible-to-reproduce bugs, race conditions, and >> terrible error messages (a Backtrace, but from which thread?). >=20 > There's the concurrency branch in the repository. It needs to be > revived (didn't see any activity for the last 2 years), and was not > really ready for prime time last time I looked at it (see > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-08/msg00704.html > and its continuation into Sep 2013). But it's not far from its > proclaimed goal. It isn't, but I'm still not sure that goal is the right one. I much prefer a world where we don't have shared mutable state: the web workers model from the web is a good one, and like any concurrency solution for Emacs, it addresses the problem of integrating multiprocessing into a legacy single-threaded environment. --PeEARILb7XW8qDJEGTQR8JW6MPNMC3rRR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWEtGqAAoJEN4WImmbpWBlkSUQAKiQaYQatkQtP0MmLA56g6Jq XtsVA6isCJs2c1060oSvmU/b7U30+TlcifMbcj+1B2yFyYe2f5uzGteZ3Pad/Vz2 ga48+hNnikrR60jH0snb3PvRp64WoC6hxBAfZmctb2OmSF4qkEDxYtouy9oS5KgE x+mTGoRb13XRqBEJxuy79GeRubacXL0Md4aeo6iX/BRiI044fZb1NFXoKeNokUFl Dm+Zi6JRLwEHqbkXnJGTOuNNBI5zGhCfWSybathd5wpQUoXfC9fgsyfdRR74G22Q CfuJKItehD2PjvUJmAK8K0iHpsRexUGHv5usI2/LMpxHojY3oM9NVTlrlMj+tv5V NjnfuL9sqfvDyhZ5v+HMcxqtA0oKCGaB8Q3dae1w5E9BkNj2ernopAHM/UGUrdf9 50dTYe9I8dXj6MK0+OrTWoO9JfR84l6Ml0rxQwQEJpc62qkruixvb643lK1Ha5J2 uiciSH1cHzKvWhFm8c8rsG5lhFHmbsLBV6HHtseVnC6Ct6qMHGrOZdjYLmYZQwwf 25orSlIbKTWIBWYpIc8wKO+G4XFiBUki94zc8cPdb3kspI/IP+Pkp6HXE6lFo4wQ Ms5+0lUBDoW3bgDFrLPWLD7NFeRNWVc8IaRBBgl1NZ6F1/7wnfmop7FzgNhc5cL+ qnJHkCPWDXxdKcLgRy3Y =bYyr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PeEARILb7XW8qDJEGTQR8JW6MPNMC3rRR--