From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 10:18:04 +0200 Message-ID: <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443946715 31585 80.91.229.3 (4 Oct 2015 08:18:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 08:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Eli Zaretskii To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 10:18:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZieUz-0000lU-S8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 10:18:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41614 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZieUy-0004Ox-V9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:18:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48771) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZieUw-0004OV-9V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:18:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZieUt-0001rP-56 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:18:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:62346) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZieUs-0001rI-VS; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:18:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.31] ([77.3.35.58]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MGi7V-1ZnJLD23oP-00DVeG; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 10:18:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:EC+hUROOPjS1+38OqzyjBIp4g1NeclioxRI6T2Q4y3OBYXhCLeP CPAtyq/bZQXtowzvBxh6SR//509J6J3MtenfgTn68RnxFqopvlo8ehLkHbPJlDWEs6C+vNl mLFmYeQyiETxrHO89HQh2hcKwaaor2+jeIgKxSV/TxD88yrRJ11Mwk7ZIMISg94P4IV5UK0 Qcrakayq1q7E5UJyIZCHQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:HFFe+lT+gKQ=:9BxsWh52WvYCmZJir3VA3s /PG2HvBm5tGDsLdpN+J5SjJuJT/omi4I2TRdB6Kr6L1gAw6bj4T1MTZtjqbIRyienuQQ9XGV4 VgRYhEJN1nqKQ5Ft0DFOKYdxokHzIwRNLyKWT5cdWyV9AnPPeOTxPO/OboazoVr/1LOJU4w/s mG9i5slhUegIe7Utgz+dnpXmXCAnoJsrJ1dCmclDF6kOnvR+SyEKonWg541WJ+o9k/XC+eaSQ eNtBHF1+0BOb5zByAf8zSW+I1VOnzhzSAh4yHqr4bcAvG9VfO6zv/dQsqPDD3+XfQCDz7HvdA uHQvmWDlpmJcRN+e65tpXzkYKJeRTlzjui9Gsfn/QLNiyRvZQDPezSbS0TwJpuzfKw4dbDCOP NOo91lsDFqCx011uETojFa1OLV1bJXLrP8jg9zoNOl07ATc2d1qm47TvciODcLnzoU7cwZsao UsN+V+zZIcsn00LrDbpcf3mLTzah/9nDe8XVZX2uJaLHk5Jpvt1BNI/VXlmkTYkRc5mEbwFFZ 42XpmOIp8A+ZKganHvG63HoCxAOoJ4TLVcUt64toqUIwDG4nOi1WZyrvxDMWyULng4fhFNx9G 06xjn1QajAAnZ57YkIfa+qkcFNaVONdnKvEmgPnGOd+IYtFpGyolowg+alEQv8Ky9JPiFOyA/ QsChoqMSSVZp+/R6N41283XtvK66kIztA2z/77T0rLN2Piw133gjijY475XGliw+LaGZUezul CqYDZOkSZtspMGf4 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190854 Archived-At: Am 03.10.2015 um 22:04 schrieb John Wiegley: >>>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I don't think this could ever work well in a project such as Emacs. How can >> the head set the tone and vision, when he/she is not expert enough in at >> least a few of the core areas? If you want to set the tone and vision in the >> development of the area of my expertise -- let's take the support for >> bidirectional editing as a good example -- don't you need me to first teach >> you enough about that, so you could make up your own mind, instead of just >> trusting me? And if you are afraid of "issues" between us (i.e. you don't >> really trust me 100%), why would you believe that I'll make an unbiased >> presentation of what you need to learn, rather than bias it a bit to ensure >> that you agree with me? > I'm not sure it's worth derailing this thread to argue these things. Let them > find some new maintainer(s), and those candidates can work out with the FSF > whatever arrangement they prefer. > > John > > Hi Eli, doubt if there is anyone now knowing all the basic code which runs Emacs. OTOH maintainership --while requiring technical knowledge-- basically is decision making, ruling out at cases presented by the parties. The ability to preserve some coolness even in heated debates seems much more important than technical knowledge in detail. Cheers, Andreas