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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190821 Archived-At: Am 03.10.2015 um 21:26 schrieb John Wiegley: >>>>>> David Kastrup writes: >> Uh, it's the fundamental tenet of the GNU project. Free Software's value >> does not rest on relative benefits and virtues but on the fundamental >> software freedoms. The stance of the FSF fundamentally differs from that of >> the "Open Source" software camp which tries to paint Free Software as a >> superior development model, consequently giving a nod to proprietary >> software as long as it is successful. > Thanks for clarifying that, David, I very much appreciate your tone of > presentation. > >> The whole point of GNU is the non-acceptance of software denying the users >> the fundamental software freedoms. This constitutes a moral judgment and as >> such is indistinguishable from "demonizing opponents" or at the very least >> damning their actions. > Then I respectfully withdraw myself as a candidate for maintainer. Damning by > implication is one thing; setting out to defame other organizations in order > to make one's own appear the standard of virtue is something else entirely, > and I do not wish to be associated with such methods. > > Thanks to all for their supporting words and encouragement, and to the FSF for > having this frank and open discussion with me on the issues that matter. > > John > > Don't think a moral is 'indistinguishable from demonizing opponents", as David writes. That's a misguided pseudo-religous approach. Also AFAIK it's not the declared FSF policy. Cheers, Andreas