From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:41:36 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5608A8E0.8080201@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150921165211.20434.28114@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <83fv27mt7r.fsf@gnu.org> <83wpvfix7i.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv23hr0z.fsf@gnu.org> <5605CB6B.4000102@cs.ucla.edu> <83twqhhf0g.fsf@gnu.org> <5606AC48.7090801@cs.ucla.edu> <83zj09fbzp.fsf@gnu.org> <5606C140.6090309@cs.ucla.edu> <878u7trwlb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5606E995.2000102@cs.ucla.edu> <83si61ezxd.fsf@gnu.org> <2FCA0DAD-831B-4B0A-B948-9F31DE52B6F0@gmail.com> <87twqgrgtv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <56077423.6030800@cs.ucla.edu> <87pp14qvkf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443408127 7455 80.91.229.3 (28 Sep 2015 02:42:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 02:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 28 04:41:54 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgOO2-00013I-DW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 04:41:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60007 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgOO1-00076E-Cy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 22:41:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgONp-000768-Ti for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 22:41:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgONm-0000Y2-Lw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 22:41:41 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:43764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgONm-0000Xw-G8; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 22:41:38 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D90160E40; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id JzmKPMUiC2NS; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB08B160E41; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Q1AsJpyzD6b3; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BCC0F160E40; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190423 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: > The Subject line seems to refer to Lisp files, and yet here people > are talking about changes in C as of C11. The subject line comes from a commit to Emacs master that added coding-cookie lines like the following to some .el files that had UTF-8 text: ;; Local Variables: ;; coding: utf-8 ;; End: Lines like these are no longer needed with current Emacs, which prefers UTF-8 for .el files regardless of the system locale. This can be a win, as people often forget to insert coding cookies and the cookies are a bit awkward anyway. The discussion has morphed into the possibility of a similar facility for files other than .el files, and what the defaults for such a facility should be. The idea is to somehow avoid the need for UTF-8 coding cookies for users who prefer Emacs to default to UTF-8 for text files regardless of system locale.