From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:13:37 +0300 Message-ID: <55D980B1.6070501@yandex.ru> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <55D1C9CE.2060407@yandex.ru> <55D20EDF.5070906@cs.ucla.edu> <55D223CA.4080109@yandex.ru> <55D22A1F.8040508@cs.ucla.edu> <55D22CF4.9030608@yandex.ru> <55D2747D.10809@cs.ucla.edu> <55D317A9.6000805@yandex.ru> <55D42210.9070703@cs.ucla.edu> <55D48503.3020406@yandex.ru> <55D50159.2030104@cs.ucla.edu> <55D62B31.3010100@cs.ucla.edu> <55D8A3E9.3070704@yandex.ru> <55D8C3E8.2010707@cs.ucla.edu> <55D8E4F3.6060406@yandex.ru> <55D8FB22.4080503@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440317635 25242 80.91.229.3 (23 Aug 2015 08:13:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org, Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 23 10:13:54 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTQPZ-0000Gd-Qv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:13:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49652 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTQPY-0005Ar-QD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 04:13:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40275) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTQPV-00059X-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 04:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTQPS-0007S6-2B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 04:13:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]:33456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTQPR-0007Rw-Q6; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 04:13:45 -0400 Original-Received: by lbbsx3 with SMTP id sx3so64286885lbb.0; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 01:13:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1D6pr7+jTf5f8p49TvCNQMixAU7mlymBB4j5R/aHV6U=; b=MUDkEB4EQG0wV9oYCTjNeU8Y6dbaj/dgOCT/CTg5jKisaRw4Adz7mfLh65Gf1xfyja BKsqaGSLFjn0DJwRkfVfXK/cKA41Lu7jrqx0AltwZ38aOMakQcbIeg+J4oPzpqk527hX I/0xd+Dy4MBH6cDpie5CMixLtElea9C4muUJR1rh1Zj7c9cFfNBEIZLsn6x9KGxuYZvA auqrIKvjvwv8vfsIO5sXdvzUopqsgdNJYZATtCZsIiFYNsaFJjcbnESW0e1Nq/0ppYTw 5jilqng+ZH4dvSZjBXzaJ65V51IMcaLefKkFtzQVxbenZutGsGCw01sB0jTdEPp6lWXO eE5A== X-Received: by 10.152.20.196 with SMTP id p4mr15089483lae.121.1440317624979; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.190] ([178.252.127.222]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id oz2sm3967376lbb.34.2015.08.23.01.13.44 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Aug 2015 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:40.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/40.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189079 Archived-At: On 08/23/2015 07:30 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > That is true -- but the problem case is unusual, and the harm done > when it happens is not a disaster. Meanwhile, it is not clear how to > solve the problem 100%. One of the ways to solve it is not to introduce it in the first place. > We know how to do quoting that is reliable. print does that for strings. > But that looks bad in these error messages. Do we really want to make them > ugly in .1% of the cases to avoid ambiguity in .001% of the cases, > which will confuse the user in only .00001% of the cases? I don't consider using a format sequence to be ugly. And we're talking about an issue of correctness here. > That would happen only if you're trying to parse the output and use > the result, and that seems like bad practice to me. `format' is routinely used for string manipulation.