From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 15:45:02 +0300 Message-ID: <55D86ECE.2070504@yandex.ru> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <55D1C9CE.2060407@yandex.ru> <55D20EDF.5070906@cs.ucla.edu> <55D223CA.4080109@yandex.ru> <55D22A1F.8040508@cs.ucla.edu> <55D22CF4.9030608@yandex.ru> <55D2747D.10809@cs.ucla.edu> <55D317A9.6000805@yandex.ru> <55D42210.9070703@cs.ucla.edu> <55D48503.3020406@yandex.ru> <55D50159.2030104@cs.ucla.edu> <55D5DC52.9020709@cs.ucla.edu> <55D7B881.9000201@yandex.ru> <55D7C014.7070808@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440247525 5100 80.91.229.3 (22 Aug 2015 12:45:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 12:45:25 +0000 (UTC) To: Paul Eggert , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 22 14:45:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZT8Ag-000098-1T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:45:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46464 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZT8Af-0007L3-FP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:45:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48357) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZT8Ab-0007Ke-OR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:45:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZT8AY-0004XB-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:45:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a]:34415) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZT8AY-0004Wz-Bq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:45:10 -0400 Original-Received: by laba3 with SMTP id a3so54942841lab.1 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 05:45:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xwrMUc1oCJdqnujhbb9BkpAumkQeSQzdhxzUZJhxOR4=; b=Lyllk3VrWZjkupeCtZmZU7Rd9p7H+449FgvwIETzsBrD/Kb6YSr2hi5XKJK7AVPuBm hNskbp4NJW0mda3TuFxWY1grStIwPt620dy/6ozBQOjpKA4cCkADjVmX4KWRo4KBaiYU eA/aDwQNGEbaMchFKov4XrjNKbIYVsTuV9uyWWR/0GqKWMT8/KRlnQpFmgx+QgVw6AKJ O8hj9ILbcfkGYYZ+dHinilF4XkoIhkCPF25/vex/VVFZa426IXnxTNFxO+/uo2Pn8dpH wQ8CToSX5M+X5ixpwvFzWcsr7lA2nu7TIKnJmHAhKkoFTLM7VWzvfKuslDemmL3Nz9lr ODIw== X-Received: by 10.112.162.70 with SMTP id xy6mr12750592lbb.122.1440247509562; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 05:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.190] ([178.252.127.222]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id qu6sm3236128lbb.27.2015.08.22.05.45.08 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Aug 2015 05:45:08 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:40.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/40.0 In-Reply-To: <55D7C014.7070808@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189063 Archived-At: On 08/22/2015 03:19 AM, Paul Eggert wrote: > Although it may not be ideal, neutral quotes are adequate typography > here, Have you seen typographical guides allow using different kinds of single quotes in the same document? Using both kinds seems to violate typographical style, as well as GNU guidelines, mentioned recently, that mandate using appropriate quotes based on user's locale. > and are certainly better than transforming all four quotes into > right single quotation marks. It's better than two right quotation marks, but worse than using one left and one right. So we don't need to optimize the workflow (rules, translation, electric modes, etc) for the given example. > And although Emacs diagnostics use > directed quotes to quote symbols and other code, the situation is not as > clear for quoting other things so I have been conservative and have > generally left these other quotes alone if they are neutral. It'd be > fine with me if you were bolder and changed them to be directed. I'd rather not become complicit in this sprawling empire of quotes, yet. Just pointing out another inconsistency. This time it's you contemplating using different quotes for quoting different things. Whereas it all started with "let's have good typography". The mistake, as I see it, is trying to use "real" quotes for markup in the first place.