From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:55:34 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <55D29EA6.2020009@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439902448 1139 80.91.229.3 (18 Aug 2015 12:54:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 18 14:54:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRgOt-0005TN-BJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:53:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56684 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRgOs-0007h5-I8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:53:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51864) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRX3u-0003rq-FC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:55:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRX3p-0006x2-Ko for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:55:42 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:55211) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRX3o-0006wq-Ud for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:55:37 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4581605AF; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id S7uvrXhBX2ay; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58747160D7C; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id IjllzKJHl1Xf; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31FF41605AF; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:55:35 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 In-Reply-To: <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188877 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > What I object to is_non-working_ characters - characters which appear > on nobody's keyboard (see Bastien's question about typing curly quotes) > and are problematic to display (See Eli's recent post, for example). So you object to having form-feeds in Elisp source code as well? After all, form-feeds are "non-working" by your definition. :-) As for the philosophical issue, I'm afraid we'll just have to disagree. In my experience, hackers prefer to scratch the itches they feel personally. Discouraging non-ASCII characters even in relatively innocuous contexts like doc strings and diagnostics is connected to putting off the task of making it easier to edit text with these characters.