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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274126 Archived-At: On 06.09.2021 17:11, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > From what > I have been experimenting with antinews themes (ie. revert all changes > since Emacs XY), I think it's a doomed approach (too much of a good thing), since a lot of changes go uncontested, so we don't _really_ have to provide a profile with all the changes reversed. Just the important ones. Again, just my 2c. > it requires a minor mode to be activated anyway, so it > might also make sense to just provide a minor mode instead of a theme. Perhaps we could extend the themes mechanism so that when a theme is enabled, and when it is disabled, a particular hook is run. E.g. for a theme called good-old-days-profile, enable-theme would look up and call the function good-old-days-profile-before-enable (if it's defined), and disable-theme would try to call good-old-days-profile-before-disable. Would that remove the minor mode requirement?