From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit-Claudel?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs i18n Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: <558a6def-8a0e-a0f0-8c96-c7679a718800@gmail.com> References: <87o97aq6gz.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tvgoud56.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o96wk2mi.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1hjfvjd.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871s3p0zdz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8ckezyt.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8cjspc0.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <29a53a39-fa50-1e94-9420-a3ea1250aa44@gmail.com> <83d0mkt0jp.fsf@gnu.org> <3937b930-c7fa-de35-af66-2df8655579c7@gmail.com> <83pnqjs4i8.fsf@gnu.org> <695fe2e3-b1ac-3119-f109-2665e5d595f2@gmail.com> <83imwarhnx.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="243108"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, brandelune@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 22 18:16:40 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h7NmY-00116n-Ej for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:16:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60495 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h7NmX-0003j6-25 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:16:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53467) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h7NmH-0003hC-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:16:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h7NmG-00038q-Qh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:16:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]:40351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h7NmG-00037E-Hi; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:16:20 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id w20so1653171qka.7; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:16:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tnzmJ6E5NS9EWNEY7pNZaOBj9dYBDtP8t4yVAmQREoQ=; b=UmgYJjmJR/IStIO1j627nSX+UUqo+NdfrzPhIY/MJ+EYt7SKtBJszRbUBjQwTsoZ5e HiJGuKBQMuBl/Vg67uzM2e9/LwvsSGTB1PkXh9iBlxcJuUeHRLYdmH2PK26NYc6Ikc/G rrdlzEiNX7D/nP943kKEvmqgQTpRyxJg7PoDwFwKtJIwNtBX1gMBG/4cf8qqXZlgheIF qqF5LeZFm+hpJRKb8x74wUpF/1E2YLQ+Ba4/pPRnYHnt2/fvVBMxB2w0M/Tt/c9DTs2e OR0nfkBmOLD5gQvrp1vVanciXs1Kj8hQ949IR296q0BmMgaj114/VRC17ch8xsqbkKqp Kftg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tnzmJ6E5NS9EWNEY7pNZaOBj9dYBDtP8t4yVAmQREoQ=; b=d5nAIl9pVr0JBZlyhJvlXxYQ1Jt3ZiqzfpwAuK6g121cL1rtNXLXLFWS6MuFFfX+x6 1GltRpn1nzQItSrSbASnKSbFgxT2oN+CFkY/tEKyzFOuUgjZbGXCB4Rcu85edqO6HcQ1 EYhFE00sF9oqf7nIvU0fk9p8sut2jRpSvs/FNK9bP2z7SIuKu/9axXPuvBT4sSNe8OTM TGSfvGI1zWdpILTnyZEmvIPHXj5xPsZY00q2fidzf6LFuzxZV4H1+lTLKt+eIdltt6Ee 70Ox8CPDZmQRoJMTjrAXfddPEBUBBJKsS/wh2h3pLhaEt2DW1NLC/s2x8uSKPfW3suI5 qXzw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUzZDRUgdIFhAvCfxmCT0aoKabehAkBDdorKvmvwaVJwqZWomBr jJdn3o9pue4jPjT2vY4xZ0YevTo5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy/Cg8PpAL0Vp4x4dEhotlbMWnXb6ChAZmmlZuKk8p/anku5p/t+WhjFO7ovOGLTD5wZasq5Q== X-Received: by 2002:a37:bbc3:: with SMTP id l186mr8082874qkf.239.1553274979612; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [128.30.9.213] (30-9-213.wireless.csail.mit.edu. [128.30.9.213]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r64sm4556645qkc.27.2019.03.22.10.16.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:16:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83imwarhnx.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-GB X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::730 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234608 Archived-At: On 2019-03-22 12:35, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: brandelune@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Clément Pit-Claudel >> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:10:42 -0400 >> >>> It brings us a step closer to the i18n goal. A very small step, >>> admittedly, but step in the right direction nonetheless. >> >> Thanks, that's what puzzles me. IIUC, we will revert to the previous strings once we have proper translation support in place, right? > > It isn't clear to me yet. At least at the time this change was made, > we didn't expect to revert, we thought this form will remain when it > can be translated. Oh! Then I misunderstood. I thought the idea was that once we have a library that can handle this well, we'd write something like (ngettext "One package installed" "%d packages installed" n), with ngettext picking between both in English and picking the appropriate string in other languages. Clément.