From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..." Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:09:14 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <558F10FA.409@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87egkzg7gb.fsf@gmail.com> <558C2E25.10303@cs.ucla.edu> <558C492E.9000705@yandex.ru> <558C7DE1.4060507@cs.ucla.edu> <558C82D2.1070408@yandex.ru> <558CBA7E.7060900@cs.ucla.edu> <558D403D.303@yandex.ru> <558EDD4C.4040002@cs.ucla.edu> <558EE315.3080107@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435439374 25574 80.91.229.3 (27 Jun 2015 21:09:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 21:09:34 +0000 (UTC) To: Dmitry Gutov , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 27 23:09:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8xLo-0003no-N7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:09:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37368 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8xLn-0006Q6-Op for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:09:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8xLk-0006Q1-IE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:09:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8xLh-00084M-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:59502) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8xLh-00084G-5U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4011E16084A; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id sYmU8lbLV2xS; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEA816084C; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:09:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 3IDbliYyZ3VT; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1122D16026C; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:09:15 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <558EE315.3080107@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187602 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov wrote: > I've described the possible options in the previous message here of thi= s > subthread (in the second half): > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-06/msg00592.html I'm afraid I don't understand those options. I can't make heads or tails= of=20 what was suggested there. How about if you pick a plausible option and give a realistic example sho= wing=20 (1) what the source code would be, (2) how the source code would be displ= ayed,=20 (3) what the *Help* buffer would be, (4) how the *Help* buffer would be=20 displayed normally, and (5) how the *Help* buffer would be displayed if t= he user=20 requests ASCII approximations. You're objecting to a simple approach where (1) thru (4) are typically al= l the=20 same and use curved quotes, and where (5) uses ASCII approximations. I d= on't=20 know what you're proposing in place of this. > BTW, do you have an example we can easily refer to when testing the pat= ches? I don't think any single example will illustrate all the gotchas. But ho= w about=20 if we start with the previously-mentioned example, e.g., type =E2=80=98C-= h=20 texinfo-format-verb=E2=80=99 after loading textmodes/texinfmt?