From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..." Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:34:12 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <558C81E4.6010008@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87egkzg7gb.fsf@gmail.com> <558C2E25.10303@cs.ucla.edu> <20150625205844.GA6883@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435271677 12193 80.91.229.3 (25 Jun 2015 22:34:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 22:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 26 00:34:32 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8Fj6-0005sa-5k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:34:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57650 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8Fj5-0001HU-55 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:34:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35516) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8Fis-0001HE-0Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:34:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8Fin-0005nK-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:34:17 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:40567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8Fin-0005mc-Ic for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:34:13 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F85160840; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id ebNqbtPQPnF4; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5960E16084E; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:34:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id EMn6e5VdIlVU; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B8B6160820; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:34:12 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <20150625205844.GA6883@acm.fritz.box> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187539 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > The main advantage is that non-working characters, the curly quotes, > would not take a central role in Emacs Lisp source code Even with the font-lock approach, curved quotes will commonly appear on the screen and users and developers will have to deal with them, regardless of whether most of the quotes are the result of on-the-fly transformations. So this is not a real advantage over the current approach. I have been seriously considering font-lock approaches but so far they appear to be more confusing and less reliable than the alternatives. For example, how would font-lock alter the quotes that Emacs outputs in batch diagnostics?