From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Concern about new binding. Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 21:41:16 +0000 Message-ID: <5588fb2580f248753c30@heytings.org> References: <87zh0mmr54.fsf@gmail.com> <87y2g5smya.fsf@gmail.com> <4FF55FBF-573D-4A70-B3FC-682CA25B7ECB@gnu.org> <83lfc53whk.fsf@gnu.org> <20210203180142.seu6o3i6u7jhkyrh@Ergus> <83eehx3to5.fsf@gnu.org> <20210203221628.xgvvxjvh56gyswba@Ergus> <20210204070033.pm4ido4hq7a6twif@Ergus> <83sg6brhyg.fsf@gnu.org> <5588fb25805d486be704@heytings.org> <5588fb2580d7e46863dd@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34423"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 22:42:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l88ry-0008rR-Vo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 22:42:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33154 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l88ry-0006WR-2F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 16:42:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45104) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l88qw-00064B-KQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 16:41:22 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:38454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l88qu-000160-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 16:41:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612561276; bh=jZlv7BhykhbMaQLAxTuggpL8HX+iJBxbsz+waYFpLsw=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=ZgO+icgR6xTSD5aORpSHAuPRWlPu4SHKYH3QQXCr7dKLUmpMJtFJCV5kIcS5lM5ii gw9kRq4jqhjVxiq3QVlZC+Dg/k39xBGptBGvnGG8y3HeShllJ77J4wtryDgWhz95Xv N/i3iXSy8kxhcZW6XvAk8/1+MU60uyaLyqWUm7Rp/65ufTQ6S+nuYsb5GP2xWa0zdL dnyB2o/aAbk4iD1niwDe2ugeMUOZdPrQLFpeB0NUvlITAXy6Z3hAuhbA5ijpCrP1rt 5bGHgv0XgEvbzqp0qAE1qkEyTiCR+Tv6GSpxxPBdfJG66g8h/WH4pnAFmq+YDtnPEr D/yQEjGxoFUlw== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264016 Archived-At: >> I'm puzzled. The proposal frees one complete keymap for libraries such >> as Magit and yours. With say C-o, Magit could use C-o g and C-o M-g, >> you could use C-o p and C-o / and ..., and so forth, with the guarantee >> that Emacs would never reclaim any key in that map. That's a lot of >> room... >> >>> I favor allowing all keys that are currently allowed for 3rd-party >>> code. And I favor Emacs itself implementing a moratorium on binding >>> any more keys by default. >> >> ... but apparently you prefer to continue to use the few remaining keys >> that are not bound by default? Isn't that contradictory? > > How so? The few remaining keys are more than a single key. > ... and a complete keymap is more than a single key. I can't understand why you do not agree that having _all_ (say) C-o LETTER slots at the disposal of third-party libraries is not a reasonable solution that would contribute to peace and stability, and that you prefer to fight to keep the last five or six C-x LETTER slots free.