From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Concern about new binding.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 09:21:20 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5588fb25805d486be704@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1l7tze-0003kE-L5@fencepost.gnu.org>
It seems to me that the root problem of this thread, and similar ones in
the past months, is the lack of a convention for external packages in
`(elisp) Key Binding Conventions'. There is a convention for users, there
are conventions for major and minor modes, but there is no convention for
external packages such as Magit, Drew's packages, and so forth.
Consequently, the only solution for such packages is to use the currently
empty slots, with a sword of Damocles hanging over them: these empty slots
could at any time be reclaimed by Emacs. I too can sympathize with Drew's
(and other's) frustration when this happens.
A proposal to solve the current problem and future similar problems is to
free one of the keys, and to mention in `(elisp) Key Binding Conventions'
that it is, forever, reserved for external packages.
This proposal has two forms: a weak and a strong one. The weak one would
only reserve the control key, the strong one would also reserve the meta
and control-meta keys.
The candidate keys for that proposal are "z", "t" and "o".
IOW, one could for example reserve either "C-z" (weak version), or "C-z"
and "M-z" and "C-M-z" (strong version), for external packages.
This is a one-time change, which I'm sure will not be an easy one for
everyone, but is a long-term solution that will avoid such repeated wars.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-05 9:21 UTC|newest]
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2021-02-02 13:49 ` Concern about new binding Ergus
2021-02-02 15:21 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-02 18:47 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-02 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-02 19:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-02 19:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-02 20:03 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-02 22:14 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-03 3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-03 4:44 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-03 5:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-03 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-03 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-03 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 5:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-05 7:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 10:04 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-05 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 18:27 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-07 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-07 13:22 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-07 14:54 ` Ergus
2021-02-07 18:44 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-07 5:59 ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-05 16:55 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-02 19:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-02 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 5:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-05 7:11 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-05 12:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-05 18:31 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-07 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-07 18:19 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 5:41 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-08 6:06 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-08 18:00 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 17:56 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-09 6:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-09 16:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-08 6:11 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-12 9:29 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 3:26 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-13 11:32 ` Rmail filter, or using sieve - was " Jean Louis
2021-02-05 8:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 8:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 10:21 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-07 5:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-07 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-08 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-07 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-02 22:07 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-03 5:52 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-03 6:08 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-03 7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-03 16:12 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-03 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-03 18:01 ` spacibba--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-03 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-03 22:16 ` Ergus
2021-02-04 0:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-04 7:00 ` Ergus
2021-02-04 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-04 15:56 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-04 16:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-04 16:42 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-05 5:49 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-04 16:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-04 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-04 19:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-04 20:23 ` Joost Kremers
2021-02-04 20:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-05 15:58 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-06 9:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-04 21:00 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-04 21:15 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-04 22:02 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-12 9:17 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 17:28 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-04 21:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-04 22:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-05 0:45 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-05 4:13 ` Karl Fogel
2021-02-05 7:27 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-02-05 23:38 ` Karl Fogel
2021-02-06 1:36 ` jao
2021-02-06 2:31 ` Karl Fogel
2021-02-12 9:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 13:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-05 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-12 8:53 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 9:08 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-04 22:24 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-05 8:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-05 9:12 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-06 9:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 10:09 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-06 18:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-06 19:20 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-07 12:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-07 12:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-07 14:52 ` Ergus
2021-02-07 20:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-08 5:49 ` Teemu Likonen
2021-02-07 18:43 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-07 23:57 ` Ergus
2021-02-08 1:18 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-10 8:49 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-09 23:22 ` Karthik Chikmagalur
2021-02-15 18:15 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-16 2:13 ` Karthik Chikmagalur
2021-02-16 5:37 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-06 19:32 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-06 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-06 20:09 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-06 20:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-06 20:28 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-06 20:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 20:44 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-06 20:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-06 21:02 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-06 20:59 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-05 9:14 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-05 12:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-04 23:20 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
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2021-02-06 2:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-05 7:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-05 7:51 ` jao
2021-02-04 18:02 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-04 18:08 ` 28.0.50; Move revert-buffer global binding into a prefix map Sean Whitton
2021-02-04 19:49 ` bug#46300: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-07 12:31 ` bug#46300: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-07 18:41 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-05 5:13 ` Concern about new binding Ergus
2021-02-06 7:28 ` Teemu Likonen
2021-02-06 9:40 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-06 9:59 ` Teemu Likonen
2021-02-04 16:06 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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2021-02-05 8:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 9:11 ` Thibaut Verron
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