From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Translation of single quotes in doc strings is now optional. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187335 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Emacs developers, in particular, will want to be able to see what's the= re, > rather than a "prettyfied" version of it. There have always been multiple ways that a doc string can generate quote= s.=20 It's true that recent changes have added more ways to do it, but these ch= anges=20 haven't introduced a new issue -- it's an issue Emacs already had. If there is a real need to put raw doc strings in help buffers, we could = add=20 such a feature -- but any such feature should affect all docstring format= ting,=20 not just curved quotes, and it certainly shouldn't be the default. And I= don't=20 see the need for such a feature anyway. What's the use case? Is it an E= macs=20 developer who lacks access to the source code but still needs to debug it= s=20 documentation? > on a terminal where grave and curly quote share a glyph, the > difference will be invisible. I don't see that as a serious problem, as people will rarely change this=20 setting, and if they do the context will make it clear. In contrast, the= symbol=20 names were hard to remember and were not well-chosen for future expansion= . For=20 example, the name =E2=80=98prefer-unicode=E2=80=99 implied that there wou= ld be only one Unicode=20 choice, but we might in the future want to support quoting with curved do= uble=20 quotes, which would also be Unicode characters. That being said, if you still prefer ASCII, how about using the Unicode n= ames=20 for the characters in question? That is, =E2=80=98APOSTROPHE=E2=80=99, =E2= =80=98GRAVE ACCENT=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98LEFT=20 SINGLE QUOTATION MARK=E2=80=99. That would be easier to remember than =E2= =80=98prefer-utf8=E2=80=99 and=20 the like. > this whole business of converting to curly > quotes hasn't yet had the go-ahead from the project maintainer. You're mistaken. About a month ago Stefan gave the go-ahead to start usi= ng=20 curved quotes.