From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 4e23cd0 4/5: * mail/rmail.el (rmail-show-message-1): When displaying a mime message, Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 15:20:07 +0300 Message-ID: <55266E77.3080109@yandex.ru> References: <83mw2mn2no.fsf@gnu.org> <5521359D.2000509@yandex.ru> <83fv8emvgq.fsf@gnu.org> <55219139.8040507@yandex.ru> <83oan2l4pk.fsf@gnu.org> <5521B811.8070603@yandex.ru> <83d23hlmia.fsf@gnu.org> <20150407165131.GA2600@acm.fritz.box> <552486A4.2020803@yandex.ru> <20150408104847.GA4252@acm.fritz.box> <5525D2ED.7030703@yandex.ru> <83iod5g3rr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1428582028 23186 80.91.229.3 (9 Apr 2015 12:20:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 12:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 09 14:20:23 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YgBRW-0007m0-Cm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 14:20:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34203 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgBRV-0008Eu-Ff for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 08:20:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55726) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgBRR-0008En-1S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 08:20:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgBRL-0003ZB-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 08:20:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]:35512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgBRK-0003Yo-Ve; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 08:20:11 -0400 Original-Received: by widdi4 with SMTP id di4so89965085wid.0; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 05:20:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rFYsFnv0DhJIMN6vgBAR7xRkOiXzK8mUdmp2ePtDLp8=; b=kabyEeCSasnRVbNqfUOed0wIjJPQd7sJdIxLmTXRpMkDUz01HHF9AzpU6SCE+n0bo/ NHlvzCwg2zXwJKz5Q3JYng3/w2cFvt06fFR5piJWYapDUx1O8uX5ogEIhO+ABVeMQguC vPLitvMROqcvcN8iOHDoYpslv4nrgnKeQWfd0eJtLfYM9a3bK29oMpIABSGe0/Avv3t1 8i9OMEp28Cm8BKkaphiymcsHeRQNvSw8D5wZQTH6zASOtf4a0UJHxbiG1IRPF1XoUcpK briach3l9rUWF5t5dDfIZYf8yxontg/jCrUXhIw2+0jNh7T0E0/2OHKvCbWsPVmEaAPu Fu9w== X-Received: by 10.194.222.135 with SMTP id qm7mr60889852wjc.14.1428582010262; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 05:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([82.102.93.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u6sm19878856wjy.13.2015.04.09.05.20.08 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Apr 2015 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/36.0 In-Reply-To: <83iod5g3rr.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185196 Archived-At: On 04/09/2015 10:27 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > There's no requirement for a tool to be "interesting", only to be > useful, and let one do their job. It wouldn't be adequate for my job, no. > No, Git isn't useful that way. Emacs, by contrast, is a useful text > editor even if you use the most basic commands and cursor motion keys. It *is* useful: it saves the changes, allows to undo the local uncommitted changes, and even to revert to earlier versions, if the user learns how. One could even share the directory over the network, and people could take turns working on the project. > But you have to admit that Git requires a newbie to learn > quite a lot -- new terminology, several new commands, and new > procedures -- as a _prerequisite_ for being able to work in a single > remote-tracking branch. And this is the core problem here. Maybe so, but not an order of magnitude more than if we used something comparable like Mercurial. It's just the price of using an advanced tool. Contributing to Emacs asks a person to learn different things, some of them fairly niche, but Git skills will easily transfer to other projects.