From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jacob Bachmeyer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:14:37 -0600 Message-ID: <54BD81CD.9010901@gmail.com> References: <54B1B97E.9070204@gmail.com> <87fvbhk4ha.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54B456C8.6010506@gmail.com> <8761cbhvhb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54B5AA10.7080606@gmail.com> <54B6F8EF.7020401@gmail.com> <54B8326B.90804@gmail.com> <54B889CC.9030401@gmail.com> <878uh3dquk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54B9BA40.2070104@gmail.com> <87d26ddi4z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mw5g9k6k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: jcb62281@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1421705722 22495 80.91.229.3 (19 Jan 2015 22:15:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 19 23:15:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YDKbP-0005rK-PD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 23:15:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40021 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDKbP-0001oJ-6Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:15:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54516) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDKb9-0001fk-Dt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:15:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDKau-000629-KJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:15:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f]:45284) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDKam-0005tl-Gh; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:14:40 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-f47.google.com with SMTP id a141so3581263oig.6; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:14:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dAYQ4tAozDjLJXvAcF27Qo0iB9l0c7S88HdiBCwGXYQ=; b=I2L3GLqBG2++GxOA0owe3Qd0qIexXY+b0hforW9dfOI6J0ihy/QbTtd+n6rGFpUUl/ aMBa0G6Ui6yIsn8viF4N4JMWeukK5v9hBEvpdjASHf7RlC8536pK86Y1uhFy2kGd01cC EPBdWOMTWOoF0OAXc7BqcK2tiKsdhNPEL9pElqN5QczMTKLww+lgXCuk4YAj3hWsygxq 1FGHIXaWrSxwDAFwHGJurL4nGw9pVj2FF7ZviCHQvo0yGZR7OA/a61U/AqIenKMxJQKH dOMVJA2KajCIFRaRLfpridhmN/JAVbZ8wvrRhkBAUpsNt541cXPfBKaNsRDd4baoYbzy Jg3w== X-Received: by 10.182.234.15 with SMTP id ua15mr19261762obc.77.1421705679917; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:14:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.2.42] (adsl-70-133-148-241.dsl.ablntx.sbcglobal.net. [70.133.148.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m7sm784786oik.20.2015.01.19.14.14.38 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:14:39 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090807 MultiZilla/1.8.3.4e SeaMonkey/1.1.17 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 In-Reply-To: <87mw5g9k6k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181450 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > Richard Stallman writes >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]] >> However, linking with nonfree software in that same way would be a >> violation. >> >> The issues about plug-ins are more complicated and more specipic than >> that putative principle would suggest. >> > > Because I was not talking about plugins. I was talking about making GCC > and Emacs interoperate. That turns neither into a plugin of the other. > What we are looking for is essentially a way for Emacs to use GCC as a library. That makes GCC _act_ as a plugin for Emacs, even though it remains a separate program. The reason we want this is that simply dumping the AST might weaken GCC's copyleft in practice, but making GCC usable as a library will not.