From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:54:05 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <543E0BFD.4020700@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k349b0vj.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppdwo7ll.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543BE7CB.9040801@cs.ucla.edu> <87egubopls.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bnpfyjaf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a94zoo57.fsf@uwak imon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83h9z77p7d.fsf@gnu.org> <8761fnnne9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543D8186.9000101@cs.ucla.edu> <87mw8ym3no.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413352498 9871 80.91.229.3 (15 Oct 2014 05:54:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175386 Archived-At: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > you intentionally chose an example where you know it works, and > published that on a public mailing list, without warning the kids not > to try it at home? It's perfectly fine for users to try "M-x grep -r" at home. It's not going to hurt them. It's a common idiom, and lots of people use it every day. > There is *no barrier* to converting *all* files > to conformant UTF-8, except a couple hours' hacking to make > `help-with-tutorial' and `view-hello-file' recognize language tags. I already proposed that for most files, and nobody opposed the idea; see . It's just that nobody has found the "couple hours'" hacking time. Although it's low on my priority list, evidently it's higher on yours; perhaps you can propose a patch? It's not a big deal if you can't; I expect eventually someone will get around to it. > Ah, so you've never lived anywhere but Kansas, Dorothy? I'm well aware of all the problems you mentioned. None of them are valid arguments that it's a "bug" to use "grep -r" in the Emacs source directory. Conversely, it appears that you did not read the file admin/notes/unicode carefully; if you had, you would not be asserting so blithely that there is "no barrier" to converting all Emacs source files to UTF-8.