From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:55:07 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <543BE7CB.9040801@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k349b0vj.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppdwo7ll.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413212167 19091 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2014 14:56:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:56:07 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 13 16:56:00 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdh2V-0002jl-TS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:56:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33884 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdh2V-0006Fn-L1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdh22-0006Co-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:55:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdh1v-0000QQ-8x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:55:30 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:37380) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdh1v-0000QG-40 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:55:23 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF1439E801B for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fdYdsH5E+--d for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-71-177-17-123.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.177.17.123]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A48E39E8015 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:55:13 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 In-Reply-To: <87ppdwo7ll.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175328 Archived-At: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > The file or application is truly local, provided with the OS or > created by the user. In that case on a well-maintained system, > the encoding should be valid It could easily be mixed. For example, in the Emacs source code the output of the shell command "grep -r she *" produces some text that is UTF-8 and some that is 8-bit EUC. So the shell command's output is not valid even though all its input files are valid. This type of thing is not uncommon.