From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? WAS: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:52:51 +0900 Message-ID: <5429C6C7-6164-4095-981C-FD5465201C79@traduction-libre.org> References: <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r1wi7a8o.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdteybt.fsf@runbox.com> <87368wrvf5.fsf@yahoo.com> <86k126d83n.wl-me@enzu.ru> <83pnbyckvv.fsf@gnu.org> <5F3B3FAB-BD1F-4B9C-A758-70C730528C44@traduction-libre.org> <871roaa1be.fsf@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="81657"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 26 14:53:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jSgnA-000L7Q-Ik for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:53:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58208 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSgn9-0005ZE-JP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:53:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38968) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSgmN-0004sQ-5W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:53:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSgmL-0006ms-Mc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:54175) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSgmL-0006Tp-4I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:53:01 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.235.90 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl12634.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.235.90]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42811E0003 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 12:52:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <871roaa1be.fsf@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.196; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay4-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/26 08:52:56 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.196 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247831 Archived-At: > On Apr 26, 2020, at 21:17, Stephen Berman = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 20:57:17 +0900 Jean-Christophe Helary = wrote: >=20 >>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 0:31, Stefan Kangas wrote: >>>=20 >>> Stefan Kangas writes: >>>=20 >>>> - An unwillingness to assign copyright to the FSF, seemingly often = more due to >>>> inertia than any principled opposition. >>>=20 >>> Here's a first proposal to improve the situation: including the "Why >>> Assign?" text in the manual. Yes, the manual will be longer, but if >>> even one more person will read and understand the reasons behind the >>> FSF's insistence on assignments, I think it will be worth it. = Please >>> see the attached. >>>=20 >>> Best regards, >>> Stefan Kangas >>> >>=20 >> "each author ... provide+s" ? >=20 > In this context ("FSF requires that each author of code incorporated = in > FSF projects provide a copyright assignment") "provide" is correct = (here > corresponding to the subjunctive in French), especially in formal > registers of English, though many people don't use this in everyday > speaking or writing. Thank you for the reminder !!! Last time I had formal English teaching = was 35 years ago... :( Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune