From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 00:42:58 +0900 Message-ID: <53E9BCE5-7AA5-40A1-AC20-59286B728EBD@traduction-libre.org> References: <8wXYP4GY9hwW-9mYv6_LGMETZ8Vz3Ob1Bec6yh6kPT7yxjTkxA3V6dXY4ELra9tYiJUxJmgXKSIEX4w8HFiPRoeGVSQHDSoBVy1voj1e3Qo=@protonmail.com> <E1jOYIC-000709-3J@fencepost.gnu.org> <CADwFkmnyYPjLd8=N7K955v5+34+wgDAUrC6C6KGG0xvT3OJr9g@mail.gmail.com> <E1jOuIG-0004CF-OB@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y2qwdmnd.fsf@gnu.org> <ae2588b0-c9ab-4c29-88e4-d1c6be5dfe94@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="95554"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org> Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 16 17:44:11 2020 Return-path: <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org>) id 1jP6gV-000OmE-FX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 17:44:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36134 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org>) id 1jP6gU-0000YN-IL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:44:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52050) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org>) id 1jP6fY-0007tr-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:43:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org>) id 1jP6fU-0005nV-1m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:43247) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org>) id 1jP6fT-0005kH-Rn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:43:08 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.235.90 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl12634.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.235.90]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF0211BF205 for <emacs-devel@gnu.org>; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:43:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <ae2588b0-c9ab-4c29-88e4-d1c6be5dfe94@default> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.201 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel> List-Post: <mailto:emacs-devel@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247093 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/247093> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 23:58, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote: >=20 > And count me as one vote for the menu-bar being > important, especially for discoverability. The > tool-bar is less important, IMO, but I'd still > vote to keep it. The tool bar especially would work better if it looked/acted like it = were native. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune