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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:259723 Archived-At: > I can confirm this behavior. Which OS? > It does not happen with Emacs 23 to 25, and happens with Emacs 26 to 28. That's interesting. I'll have to take a look. > Except that: > > "Now in the minibuffer window type C-h f and..." is (in my case at least) "Select the miniwindow frame, type C-h f, and..." > > I did not see the "sometimes the normal frame is selected, sometimes > the minibuffer frame remains selected", in my case at least the > miniwindow frame remains selected in all cases. Which means that I > need to click in the *Help* buffer before typing "q". Same here, usually. But I managed a few times to have the normal frame selected. In that case, as I mentioned, I quickly saw the cursor flicker in the minibuffer window before it showed up on the normal frame. Also, instead of using the mouse, C-x 5 o followed by C-x o works too, but C-x o used directly in the minibuffer window does not work. > "Here the minibuffer window gets selected and ready to receive input > but no cursor is shown in it." is (in my case at least) "The > minibuffer gets selected and ready to receive input but no cursor is > shown in it AND the miniwindow frame is not raised (put above the main > frame by the window manager)". One can use (setq minibuffer-auto-raise t) If I do that, then typing something into the minibuffer window in the state where no cursor is seen, automatically switches to the normal frame. martin