From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:38:45 +0200 Message-ID: <52FE3885.3000901@yandex.ru> References: <87r47bi1e5.fsf@yandex.ru> <52F96284.50507@yandex.ru> <52FAE12B.6060101@yandex.ru> <52FC3BEE.60604@yandex.ru> <52FCD2B4.5080006@yandex.ru> <52FD9F1D.50205@yandex.ru> <83mwhucg1h.fsf@gnu.org> <878ute589i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2iqc84m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqgxkcr9.fsf@yandex.ru> <834n41db0d.fsf@gnu.org> <52FE2985.4070703@yandex.ru> <831tz5daes.fsf@gnu.org> <8738jlohd6.fsf@yandex.ru> <87wqgx3e5z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392392363 27803 80.91.229.3 (14 Feb 2014 15:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 14 16:39:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WEKrS-0003CG-GE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:39:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52408 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WEKrR-0007PY-W1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:39:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41565) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WEKrF-0007BJ-B9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:39:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WEKr6-0002PY-W0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:39:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ee0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c00::233]:50392) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WEKqo-0002GM-Ky; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:38:50 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ee0-f51.google.com with SMTP id b57so5778961eek.38 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:38:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m8J5jKDYCofsF4FYiW8yCSG7zlQkxYoYCAqx0tWgTaQ=; b=hukvP/pnCfvMKMVQqvkf9koWvgy7Bfas8IT5HHz9QqG6n7pg11aCzUphYieMQzotEM 1hMA5oMLsfx6fK+qWVqkya6aMYGpNk2CxVU2Wt0i4nRRogoBUYQbY5D/EpFM+JSlr8No VVm5xVPssbRo3fGFOkK3hCJ2oHE1k4TFIQDWQg3NP0GppM/ZJnkxfIxhrDtnuvzHX4Us B7WtzbSERTD2v+FOwhKVeMsBGZi/onzwMSeJ6L6HuDpAP2nhX2AQ7OAhkCynNZeA0vM2 JhXoj4tr7TSWyhTYAK0tC64LJrE6iVkStXpGAoXCxQ/1JGUp5E2ldtEJSAIPrtwZ4nkE 5Bhw== X-Received: by 10.14.94.135 with SMTP id n7mr10009159eef.40.1392392329566; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:38:49 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.94] (static-nbl2-118.cytanet.com.cy. [212.31.107.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q44sm21031663eez.1.2014.02.14.07.38.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:38:48 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <87wqgx3e5z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4013:c00::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169619 Archived-At: On 14.02.2014 17:30, David Kastrup wrote: >> I'd expect each participant in the discussion to be willing to >> implement things they discuss that are within their area of >> expertise. E.g. Stefan to at least add that hook and modify the >> syntax-ppss caching behavior. > > That's a popular misconception: the dictatoriate of the incompetent. > Just because somebody went to the pains to learn an art does not mean > that he is bound to do your bidding. Gifts are foremost gifts, not > punishment. Replace "they discuss" in my quote above with "they suggest". It would be their own bidding, not mine. Or if the person is not interested in implementing said things, an explicit warning would be nice. >> I really don't do C, and learning it just to contribute to Emacs seems >> like a major undertaking. > > Oh, you could help a lot of people and projects in your newly gained > area of expertise then. Yeah, how much effort other people would have to spend correcting my mistakes before I gain said expertise? Not to mention the expenditure of time on my own part. >> Why there aren't many new contributors capable and interested in >> implementing new features at the C level, your guess is as good as >> mine (probably better). > > They probably don't like the obligations coming with it. I don't believe most even think that far.