From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Repo cpnversion progress report Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:05:49 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <52EC3A5D.60404@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20140130195557.GA8405@thyrsus.com> <83iot16u66.fsf@gnu.org> <20140130214201.GA9204@thyrsus.com> <83ha8k7fp0.fsf@gnu.org> <87iot0f481.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <20140131181612.GA18170@thyrsus.com> <52EBFD17.1050006@cs.ucla.edu> <20140131210718.GA19192@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391213174 18652 80.91.229.3 (1 Feb 2014 00:06:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 00:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 01 01:06:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W9O6G-0001AA-MH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 01:06:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58881 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9O6G-0001Ra-0J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:06:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43068) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9O67-0001RQ-Ds for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:06:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9O60-0006fG-GD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:06:11 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:56967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9O60-0006f8-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:06:04 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4377CA60004; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:06:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9cIZtWUG2rUK; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:05:56 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-108-0-233-62.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [108.0.233.62]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D854C39E8012; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:05:56 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <20140131210718.GA19192@thyrsus.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169307 Archived-At: Eric S. Raymond wrote: > I'm not real happy about the action stamps being so long as it is. How about a POSIX timestamp rather than an ISO 8601 string? "1391204651!larsi@gnus.org", for example, instead of "2014-01-31T21:44:11!larsi@gnus.org". Although it's just 9 characters difference, the savings add up when you're trying to read a screenful of these things. The ISO 8601 string is not that readable, nor does it match the localtime clock of committer, so it's a bit of a magic cookie anyway. As I understand it the first glimmer of Emacs in RMS's eye was circa 1972, so even if we magically resurrected his original code the timestamps would never need to be negative. We could say that time-since-1970 is "Emacs time".