From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:14:01 +0300 Message-ID: <525fe795-0716-a224-ded0-00e49548aa3d@yandex.ru> References: <8wXYP4GY9hwW-9mYv6_LGMETZ8Vz3Ob1Bec6yh6kPT7yxjTkxA3V6dXY4ELra9tYiJUxJmgXKSIEX4w8HFiPRoeGVSQHDSoBVy1voj1e3Qo=@protonmail.com> <833694f29y.fsf@gnu.org> <4amRIW9fznS6sa3th4xPABzua9LQDlNPeIFxVsGYdq_wsg4-Ea1l9sEP-T6QrnO5QMV3jhgrnAspk2mSIC7COlodqr04koAcIPYPLLmPHFM=@protonmail.com> <83imhzecc5.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2qvcjv6.fsf@gnu.org> <83k12ed20s.fsf@gnu.org> <83blnqctyj.fsf@gnu.org> <9341072a-cf53-9092-2211-aa97c946e5b1@yandex.ru> <838sinfygb.fsf@gnu.org> <16fad982-e95b-7df1-25d0-1c666a6f8120@gmail.com> <83tv1begq5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="67926"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit-Claudel?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 18:15:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRI22-000HaA-Ol for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:15:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53834 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRI21-0004sj-Qf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:15:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57550) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRI0o-00037q-OS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRI0n-0001Xd-Pc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:14:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::334]:35969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRI0n-0001Lj-AE; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:14:09 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id u127so3074076wmg.1; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:14:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AjSI0AHUQO2YlOZHQXWw/lYi9KdO9J6N0Lqe+7wjfGE=; b=i30609jw7N9h/nlJYO4EzgKPh2NhC1tFvGgnqPofY0ciywTKo1QDi/w7Vx8syc5t1K R1FLALbN8i1HfviKgDAgkelPfypzIlBvJmgqhcPzlL3e3f+gv5tO5oJp1B4Or380z2v/ TuTu4O0xFkbZJmHYYc73QF8/ZZeCVh3YF5HXQ8SxKzkLjKmyo+olb+K9bZVXfyjmyzdM boulUFYNl6rUlUPrWuJgk/1RkJkU8v9Pll0S1qhC5X0q1FxB8VTqdgCuVXa1Hnd9mCXx z/k/Pynz38DMfFr6r2jv/PRllscofKalf1cj71MZGyH+JzrEK2GRCcsbQoe46+FKReuq tovA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AjSI0AHUQO2YlOZHQXWw/lYi9KdO9J6N0Lqe+7wjfGE=; b=O3MvsEYvRyrxJJpeJNbsNUuVgrWF/S7GnpCWSyI3PrVpdur+x7AGXB2zxIcx7tPNAi RenQ2+pH1DQ4BCSTcrJm53MCm4jhpotGVzKSZ0gqFTd+pCh1T0ii40uFTh2k4Rv54HjW jagW6ofpSe6o7F4gBGhDZQsl6V3HtQEYrmqV6dXZSDpVJc+fcX4+VK6Gf+cFaRBS9NiB xxBs/muD32rsZrepl+kZfp1QkDpHFSMBvykfVU+qcKmJU6MRrt3r5pknOWR3imQBmSSr 0TOfiVF8Qtv6swc5srVDlBPVb9aKEZJlKwQRLwyYu6Uve4zntYhdtIJX0Vwmz/mMzSUX PyRw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYR5x1BE0jha8fqkngM56cbBA9unOOW3cmmJucnj53bSEeEPuij gW2nWNo7NbXcWW8AcDNwna3V43q1Lr0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKgM0QoWYR8YTiyBcwWicBbLfeW5Qy/lPOKf8AHXlhfJWQ0v+5MOknZk3zvvKYG5X9op+Tyog== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:4b16:: with SMTP id y22mr11397568wma.170.1587572046864; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.205.73.129]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a187sm8371508wmh.40.2020.04.22.09.14.02 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:14:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83tv1begq5.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::334; envelope-from=raaahh@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x334.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::334 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247520 Archived-At: On 22.04.2020 17:29, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> It should be enough to change the name of the icons on the toolbar. No need to take icons from GTK (if that means copying files into the Emacs repo). > That would only help GTK users. Yes, indeed. But it's still probably the most popular toolkit among GNU/Linux users. > I thought we wanted to improve the > Emacs appearance on more than just one toolkit, On e.g. Lucid all icons come from the same set, at least. We can improve them as well (all together), but it's a fairly different task. Speaking of other platforms, I wonder if Windows and macOS also have have standard sets of icons. It would make our task easier (and the end result more native-looking) if we could use a similar approach.