From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Davis Herring Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:28:12 -0600 Organization: XCP-1 Message-ID: <5241CBAC.6090707@lanl.gov> References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <523FD9B2.9030304@online.de> <834n9cj9s3.fsf@gnu.org> <523FEE11.3050703@online.de> <87txhb3a8n.fsf@informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380043715 17378 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2013 17:28:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" , emacs-devel To: Xue Fuqiao Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 24 19:28:37 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWPd-0001hw-JW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:28:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47280 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWPd-0005c1-7D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49204) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWPS-0005Vt-3j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:28:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWPK-00024r-1P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:28:26 -0400 Original-Received: from proofpoint5.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.53]:37349) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWPJ-000238-QI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:28:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailgate5.lanl.gov (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8OHSDFe018357; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:28:13 -0600 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062D92736CB; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:28:13 -0600 (MDT) X-NIE-2-Virus-Scanner: amavisd-new at mailrelay1.lanl.gov Original-Received: from [128.165.123.183] (xray-r06.lanl.gov [128.165.123.183]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F942736B9; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:28:12 -0600 (MDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110717 Lanikai/3.1.11 In-Reply-To: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-09-24_07:2013-09-23, 2013-09-24, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x X-Received-From: 204.121.3.53 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163614 Archived-At: > And some commands that are frequently used, such as {open, save, close > buffer}, all require multiple keystrokes with the difficult Ctrl key. This is something of a red herring: the frequency of file commands like these is negligible compared to the frequency of editing/motion commands, so it does no harm (aside from breaking some users' expectations) to have them use longer keys. Moreover, opening a file can't be faster than picking the file, which (even with sophisticated completion and filecache and the like) is slower than C-x C-f by a fair margin. Saving a file is all but unneeded in Emacs anyway. Only `kill-buffer' could really be considered too slow, what with its extra RET. I bind a key to `bury-buffer' and tend to use it instead (mostly for dabbrev). Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.